clarence thomas felt that capped it off didn't feel the church did enough about civil rights.s grandfather was wrong about everything. and that he became, in his words, an angry black man. and his grandfather says you can make your own decisions and kicked him out of the house and the only father he ever knew kicks him out. on his own and he has to go wherever he has fellowship, holy cross in massachusetts and he continues to be radical and helps to start the black student union and engages in walkouts and invites black panthers to come and speak. you may remember this story, i do. and the next part of his work is coming through that and coming back to his grandfather's values and that reaches one of the key moments when he goes to an anti-war demonstration in cambridge, massachusetts and it turns into a riot and he's swept up into a riot. and they get liquor from a liquor store ahead of time and he's caught up in the mob penalty. he hates what he's become. even though he's away from the church when he gets back to holy cross in the middle of the night he kneels in front of th

well, that was the trailer to our film called created equal clarence thomas and his own words. the same title is the book. it's a two-hour film. it was released in january of 2020 was in a bunch of theaters 110 theaters and then covid cut. it's the actual release short. it was then broadcast nationally on pbs in may did very well on pbs and then it was released digitally and it's still available digitally. it's on amazon and viewers can go to our website manifold productions.com with a full list of how to watch it. and that film was based on a very long interview with clarence thomas. i think you could see that. he looked right at the camera and tells his story in his own words from his beginnings to today. so i interviewed him for over 24 hours over four month period and jenny for five or six hours and they're the only interviews in the film. and that's why it's clarence thomas in his own words, but it was a 25-hour interview and it's only two hour film. so my co-auth book mark, paelletta, a long-term friend of the thomases had the idea that we should take some of that materia

and that film was based on a very long interview with clarence thomas. i think you could say he looked right at the camera to tell his story in his own words from its beginnings to today so i interviewed him for 24 hours over a four-month period and ginny and they're the only interviews in the film and that's why clarence thomas in his own words. it was a 25 hour interview in a film so my co-author of the book a long-term friend of the thomases had the idea that we should take some of f that material and put it in a book. the book is 95 percent new material but it follows the same pattern as the film . tell the life story from the beginning and on to today. so i think this is an important moment for people to understand estes thomas and where he is and who he is as a person. >> what was it like trying to convince supreme courtjustice to sit down for 24 hours ? >> it was not easy and it was the largest longest interview ever granted by any supreme court justice let alone one that's reluctant to be interviewed but the film evolved in at each stage and i wa

clarence thomas might ultimately rule against lindsey graham. that doesn't change the fact that clarence thomas has violated a perfectly reasonable law by participating in this case. the case in which his spouse quote, is known by the justice to have an interest in that could be substantially affected by the outcome. by not recusing in this case, no matter how the case turns out, clarence thomas has disgraced himself and the united states supreme court once again. remember, the issue of recusal is not about the judges actual and real inability to be fair. the issue of recusal turns on our perception, a regional bull person's perception of a judges potential conflict of interest. this is full of that. for three justices of the current supreme court. all of whom should be recused in this case. none of whom will recuse in this case. not on the trump and. in the other criminal investigation targeting donald trump, the new york times is reporting tonight that prosecutors are focusing on two witnesses, one of whom who was seen on video actually moving

that film was based on a long history of clarence thomas.hink you can see he looked right at the camera and tells his story in his own words from beginning to today. i interviewed him over 24 hours over a period and jeannie and those are the only ones in the film. it was a 25 hour interview in a two hour film so my co-author of book, a longtime friend of the thomases had the idea we should take some of the material and put it in a book and its 95% of new material but it follows the same pattern as the film. it tells the life story from the beginning onto today so i think this is an important moment for people to understand where he comes from and who he is. >> whatme was it like trying to convince the justice to sit down for 24 hours? >> it wasn't easy and it's the longest interview granted by any supreme court justice let alone. but the film involved and at each stage i was open and honest with them. in all points of view but i realized that his voice would be lost and he was the best teller of his own story. this way he tells you what he t

now, hatch always believed clarence thomas.ut he did say that out of this spectacle, really, that out of this terrible event, one good thing that happened. and that was the issue of sexual harassment in the workplace was suddenly discussed by americans and brought out into the open, and that is a good thing. and i would totally agree with him on that. but don't forget that there is no person more responsible for shaping the modern supreme court than orrin hatch. his work on the judiciary committee and with many confirmations. but remember, he was ruth bader ginsbu's biggest champion acrding to ruth bader ginsburg in the mid-1990's when she was nominated by bill clinton. and the reason hatch did that was he respected her as a jurist, and he thought she was the most qualified of the likely candidates that clinton was going to put forward. so that is kind of a forgotten piece of this equation that is really kind of fascinating. and again, i think it speaks to a very strong streak of intellectual honesty that hatch had that i think

supreme court directly to clarence thomas. asking him to overrule the 11th circuit court of appeals that ruled in favor of the justice department by exclusion 100 classified documents seized by the fbi from donald trump's residence for examination by the special master in the case. the appeals court decision was a unanimous finding by three but judge panel that included two judges appointed by donald trump. tonight, and a 37-page brief to the supreme court, the trump lawyers said the circuit lacked jurisdiction to review the special master reporter, which authorized the review of all materials seized from president trump's residence, including documents bearing classification markings. accordingly, president trump respectfully requests -- the court vacate the courts september 21st, 2022 state order, as to the authority of the special master to review documents bearing classification markings. the trump appeal is asking the supreme court to allow a special master and the trump lawyers to review classified documents in the case.

the wife of a great man, justice clarence thomas. her courage and strength -- she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. she didn't say, oh well, i would like not to get involved. of course it was a wonderful election. it was a rigged and stolen election. she did not will thunder pressure like so many others that are weak people and stupid people. >> you bet we know ginni thomas. let us count the ways. the conservative political capitalist -- that was voluntary and not under oath -- they wanted to speak with her because of her involvement with then president trump efforts to overturn the 2022 presidential election. let that sink in for a moment. the wife of a sitting supreme court justice had to be questioned by the house committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. she had to be questioned because she herself was at the stop the steal rally in washington d.c. on january the 6th. she did not continue on to the capitol that afternoon. she had already gone home. because she said, she was too cold. how about you at home b

you know, the word recusal doesn't seem to be in clarence thomas' lexicon.he's wading in to the same territory in which he has a conflict. he's the one who voted to withhold his own wife's deeply damaging and potentially incriminating text messages to mark meadows, urging him to overturn the results of a presidential election. but here we go again. now, we can perhaps talk each other down a little bit because it looks like this is a temporary pause, and it looks like clarence thomas said we're going to wait to receive the legal brief from fani willis and her team, which is due on thursday. and then as you say, clarence thomas can still act on his own and either reject lindsey graham's claims or accept them and say, yeah, we do think lindsey graham is above the law, and he shouldn't have to testify about the crimes of donald trump, or clarence thomas can give the issue to the entire court, which i think is the only way to at least pretend the decision will have some legitimacy. >> and even then, i don't trust those six people. they're politicians. i think the

of course, clarence anthony, from the national league of cities.ay is an important day because as you heard already, the focus is how we use -- i am talking about air, but really it is -- arp, but really it is about improving funds and equity in this country. before the most recent can -- economic downturn, there was significant inequity in the country. when he looked at the rise, it makes it clear that the mobility in this country is declined from if you were born in the 1940's, you had a 90% chance of doing better than your parents. if you're born in 1985, your chances drop to 50. before any of these crises faced us, we knew we were in a perilous state is a country. when he tied that to communities you would see the inequity whether he looked at the map at the national level, as areas that are most distressed, and within every community and city you can see disparities by geography. the question is, if these problems existed before and now we have the unprecedented crisis and challenge created by covid and the opportunity created by this influx o

he quotes kavanaugh and clarence thomas, two people who are credibly accused sex offenders. herschel walker ain't accused of that. what is going on here? >> i mean, if that's your alibi, i think you're trending some deep water there, but this is the thing about the republican party -- >> i shouldn't say sex offenders. >> this is the do as i say, not as i do. they're all about no one should have an abortion, except if the father needs one, we're willing to look the other way, and fund raise for you. they hate big government but they want government telling you what you can and cannot do with your body. they hate socialism but they're all of a sudden going to be asking the federal government for billions and billions of dollars to help rebuild florida, they voted against rebuilding certain other states hit by hurricanes and storms but they want that for themselves. everything the republican party is about is do as i say, not as i do. family values is a slogan. it's branding. it doesn't mean anything. the guy they have lined up behind, the person they have been willing to burn

and that is justice clarence thomas ruling on a case that could involve his wife.clarence thomas was the only member of the supreme court to disagree with the court's decision, the trump white house communications had to be handed over to the january six committee, we did not yet know that those communications could include text messages from clarence thomas's wife, then white house chief of staff mark meadows, since that decision, we had discover that virginia thomas was texting the white house urging on, any attempt to overthrow the presidential election, long after there were any legal options left for contesting that election. and early in the process, virginia thomas texted mark meadows saying, the biden climb family and a ballot fraud coconspirators -- are being arrested and detained for ballots fraud right now, and over coming days, and will be living in barges off gitmo to face military tribunals for sedition. mrs. thomas is a lawyer and she actually wrote the things. since those text, have become public, chief justice john roberts has not said one word abo

. >> i am like clarence, i have two words to say on this. so and what? >> they did this and their point was -- when you are going to lose the vote -- >> right, that's what basically this is about. apparently it is better to go on long tirades to extend it before the vote comes down because it is a right leaning supreme court and so the thought process if she givers long versions of her idea is that it will influence on the other side. most likely she's aiming at clarence thomas. she will keep on talking and talking. i have been through this. fine, we'll go to the mall. let's go to the mall, okay? [ applause ] >> jim, what's your experience with chatty women? >> i know her quite well. >> really? back in your supreme court days. >> i don't know how you got all that juicy information. >> i know. they're all wearing black robes again. you know, it is boring. [ laughter ] >> but, she used to get drunk and call me at 2:00 in the morning. she would not -- nobody liked me as a judge. >> you are a great judge. and clarence thomas again, he's asleep,

she told the investigators this week that she didn't talk about it with clarence thomas.king marriages differ, who knows how that goes, but to be able to separate that kind of activism on the one hand in that household with justices who remain neutral on the other hand, is obviously interesting, surprising, and perhaps raises questions. >> buyer, but we mention congressman jamie raskin a moment ago. here is what he had to say about ginni thomas. >> it is amazing that you have someone who is married to a supreme court justice who continues to promote the big lie. but, of course that is her absolute first amendment right to do so. anybody can go out and make an idiot out of themselves by claiming the easter bunny is real, that santa claus is real, and donald trump is the real president. >> barb, jeanne's email showed she was involved in the scheme on the state level. she was also winter in touch with trump lawyer john eastman. how does her testimony help the 16 committee in its investigation? >> she's absolutely a witness here, regardless of who she is married to and what s

large part of it has to be that conflict of interest that submerged as a result of clarence thomas.onger this festers, the more people will lose confidence in the supreme court in addition to all the decisions they've been making in might make this time. professors, can't thank you enough. always a pleasure to see you both. thank you. still to come, the militia group members about to go on trial for their role in the capitol insurrection. first, my friend -- with an update on in. hey, richard. >> hey, ethan. great to see. -- across the grub to condemn iran's government crackdown on protests in the country. this began after the death of a young woman while in police custody, 22-year-old mahsa amini. los angeles, boston, and toronto, just to maine a few, just saw massive demonstrations. demonstrations the neuron as well over -- entered their third week. iran's morality police detained her in the capital for allegedly not adhering to the strict islamic dress code. -- she was beaten, but officials claim she died of a heart attack. -- at least 92 people have been killed during clashes wi

so if clarence thomas had -- the scientific word is character.acter, he would understand that just for appearances say, he would cede this function to another supreme court justice to avoid the appearance of impropriety, but clarence thomas doesn't care about the appearance of impropriety, because he is improper. >> she ain't got to email nobody, but she probably will anyway. >> that's also what she does. >> hook me up. thank you very much. i appreciate you, elie mystal. >>> congresswoman cori bush joins me on her political rise despite adversity and the ongoing battle for abortion access. we'll be right back. i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪♪ here goes nothing. hey greg. um...hello? it's me, your heart! really? yes! recording an ekg in 30 seconds. tada! wow that was fast! good news, pal. i'm not detecting any of the six most common arrhythmias. what next? let's get som

it went to clarence thomas, the supreme court justice assigned to the 11th circuit. through this appeal. i find it confusing, to say the least. >> the focus is on procedural matters, essentially what they are saying is the 11th circuit lacked jurisdiction to decide this piecemeal issue. in general, litigation favors one big appeal at the end of the whole thing rather than appealing every subissue that comes up along the way in the interest of efficiency. the reason they will fail here is that the government prevailed in showing that it could suffer irreparable harm if it lost this issue. this issue, of course, is that simple matter as to whether the special master should be reviewing those classified documents or whether they should return immediately to the government. which they have in the meantime. now this appeal is asking the supreme court through the circuit justice, clarence thomas, to overturn that order and make those documents go back through the special master process. we will see what happens there. i think the law is very strongly on the side of the gov

. >>> justice clarence thomas gives the department of justice a deadline after trump's emergency request for the supreme court to intervene in the mar-a-lago case. >>> new audio of trump talking about ron desantis, a man trump calls whiney and fat. let's go out front. good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, russia admitting defeat. the spokesman for putin's

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clarence thomas saying, i didn't see any benefit to having diversity?that is basically how these arguments went. at one point, justice thomas asked, well, what exactly is diversity? explain it to me, and other justices asked questions like, why should race at all be something that even students who check their box even if they want to voluntarily give it to you, why should it matter at all? you also heard from liberal justices like justice ketanji brown jackson, because she recused herself saying she didn't want to be part of the harvard dispute because she used to be part of the structure of the university, the leadership there, which of course is notable given the fact so many people have not recused themselves in other aspects of this court, but i will digress on this. ketanji brown jackson brought up a really important point, why should legacy meaning your parents and grandparents who went to the schools like unc and harvard, why should that matter more than if someone says my grandparents were enslaved and as a result, i want to get into the school

but to me, the most challenging part of this has to do with the clarence thomas, the sitting supremeustice. that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines. she is just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem he

but to me, the most challenging part of this has to do with the clarence thomas, the sitting supreme justice. that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines. she is just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem

this on his wife, the column from the new york times: the wife of justice clarence thomas.e on clearance thomas, this event from last year. this is on the influence of the courts and his colleagues, especially the influence scalia had on him. >> we had not met before i got to the court. we met and i think we found out that even though we were from very different backgrounds, we thought alike. we trusted each other. for more than a quarter of a century, we worked together without seeing each other all that much. he was really funny. he would ask me to go hunting with him. he thought it was odd that someone from rural georgia would not go hunting. it's really odd that someone from urban new york and new jersey will go hunting. i said i left nothing in the woods. you expect me to risk snakebites , ticks, fleas, to kill some unassuming bird? no. he invited me to go to the kennedy center. he said, you like classical music. i sure do. he said, come to the kennedy center. i don't like people who like classical music. it is different without him. he is the one person i truly miss.

and why that matters right now kerry is because her husband justice clarence thomas is a sync. could single handedly decide whether or not the justice department can continue investigating trump. in another case, the one where he is accused of taking classified documents from the white house and keeping it at his private residence. well trumps team has appealed to the supreme court, namely to clarence thomas, thomas himself, to decide whether or not that investigation can continue as is happening now. so a lot is at stake, a lot is happening. but the committee's true challenge here today is to re focus americans attention on why this matters with their argument that trump is true. we'll try to overturn the election that he still poses a risk to american democracy. hardy, thanks for that. from capitol hill. north korea says it's a test fire to cruise missiles, which are capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons. either kim at johnson says, the launch it proves that north korea is prepared for wool. so young has carried out a series of missile tests during the last 2 weeks. on

in theory clarence thomas -- more than in theory. fact clarence thomas could act on his own and grant this stay which is what the trump team is asking, that the special master be allowed to review the 100 classified documents to see if any of them are privileged. if thomas did that, it would be one of the most brazen acts in judicial history given the role of his wife and her involvement in the january 6th investigation. if he did that, the full court could overrule him. there's a question as to whether the court will even hear this request by the trump team. a lot of legal experts say it's not well-founded in law and the supreme court is reluctant to get involved in these discovery disputes. there's another interesting thing in this brief. the trump team says one of the roles of the special master should be to decide whether these documents were properly classified. you guys know when the special master asked the trump team for any information about whether the president declassified the documents, they refused to answer. they said

>> well, unfortunately, that's not up to anyone external, that is up to clarence thomas.nd he'll have to make that decision about whether or not he should participate. but look, he's the circuit justice. he's the justice who was allotted to the 11th circuit. these sort of matters would come automatically to him. so, i don't see anything nefarious in that, and in the briefing schedule that he has said is entirely appropriate. the issue itself here is that a technical legal one, involving jurisdiction. and it's rather an interesting one, involving what the right time to take, and appeal is. trump's lawyers say that doj was premature, in that the 11th circuit was wrong to act. so, i think for nerds like me, this would be a fascinating discussion. the rest of the country will simply be looking for the outcome here, and seeing whether the supreme court will plant the 11th circuit, or led them to continue here issues that evolve on this matter. >> let's quick question, joyce. you are a former prosecutor. if donald trump was not donald trump, if he was an ordinary person, not tr

trump's appeal was directed to justice clarence thomas because he oversees the 11th circuit court, and supreme court ask the doj to file its response to trump's request by 5 pm october 11th. just a short time ago, one legal expert reacted to trump's latest move. >> it's a very narrow appeal. you could spin a lot of things here that would go very badly for donald trump, such as the special master having a hearing and whether these were classified or declassified. that would be a nightmare for donald trump. >> the supreme court did hear arguments today in the latest battle over the voting rights act. in a case drawn by alabama map meters, the lower court ruled that the redistricting had weakened the power of black voters there. the court's newest justice, ketanji brown jackson, took a lead role and questioning the alabama solicitor general. this is also the second day of testimony in the trial of several oath keepers, accused of seditious conspiracy, related to the january 6th riot. today in court, the government played a secret phone recording from november, 2020. where members are her

one reason why we are talking about clarence thomas, there are a number of justices whose spouses havetepped back from advocacy, litigation when they saw their spouse rise to the federal bench. with ginni thomas, we see she is affirmatively engaged in an effort to monetize her position and her proximity to clarence thomas. this manifests in things like clarence thomas forgetting to mention his wife got $680,000 from the heritage foundation because it has no business that could be relevant to the supreme court. there are any number of ways -- you think you will go and have your day in court. what happens when you show up and the decision has already been made before you walk into the room? from the standpoint of being an advocate, we are focused on what's happening behind those those doors, how do we bring some light to what the supreme is doing? as chairman johnson and representative jones mentioned at their hearing in april, the supreme court doesn't have oversight. >> there is no oversight for justice members on the supreme court. there is actually no enforcement. what would be the m

and then the whole thing could be muted. >> do you really expect clarence thomas to actually sit?ou think it's possible he could be that unfriendly to this case as it concerns trump's interested? >> i would say, first, i think it's important that he would send something to the full court and not decide something, you know, unilaterally. then if you're chief justice roberts, there is a lot of institutional reasons to not get involved in something like this. they have taken so many hits sort of publicly in terms of whether they are political body. and this is a case where there is such little merit to what is being argued. and there are so many ways to not rule on this. and i mean, they just understand, the supreme court rarely takes anything. >> right. >> so this is not one where you read the brief and say there is an injustice done here. >> well, yes. i will say they're hearing cases right now that i think a lot of people are concerned about. they wish they wouldn't take up. >> that's right. >> let me just did in terms of eileen cannon, all roads keep going back to her. if there a

>> this is not really in clarence thomas's hands alone. all he is don's ask for a an administrative state, basically saying that the courts are going to press pause on this proceeding well it weighs dissenters emergency application, asking the supreme court if he needs to testify before the grand jury. in this case will probably happen is that the entire court will weigh in, and that is all of the justice system, that is not just clarence thompson. to your point it is terrible in this matter. it is not gonna be a matter of that thomas decides on zone. >> i think it is right and, what i would prefer to see without -- sending it to the whole court, but in a matter of great significance it is common for justice to handed over the whole course to look at it. i would be very surprised if they affirm the 11th circuit decision is, he has to sit and answer questions you can object to questioning if it should invoke the speaker or debate clause it seems like it is already been resolved protecting privileges that he might have. i remain optimistic t

clarence thomas, justice clarence thomas, said that the justice department has to 5 pm on october 11th, that's a week from tonight. team trump is asking for the special master to get access to more than 100 classified documents found in the search of mar-a-lago, which would also mean trump's legal team could see them. which sounds like a page right out of the trump playbook. and you know what that page is, it's delay, delay, delay. that's really all this is. you want to put things into perspective? it's just delay, push it further down the road. and then also, you know, sent a fund raising letters to help so that he could raise money off of all of this. that's just, that's what's happening. and he's hoping that the court will take beside. a conservative majority court courtesy of, of course, the former president himself. a fact is probably top of mind down in mar-a-lago. but you've got to wonder whether the supreme court, which has ruled against him in earlier cases, actually want anything to do with this. they might not want to touch it with a ten foot pole, amidst the outrage over wh

and it's important to remember with clarence thomas, people understand, that was not a really selection is the every circuit, every federal appeals court has a justice and the supreme court who oversees any emergency relief. and so he just happens to be the justice for this particular circuit. >> for the 11th circuit. >> exactly, he has limited authority. he can't just do something unilaterally that couldn't be reviewed by the entire court. and it's also unlikely that he, if you wanted to grant something, that he would have sent it to the whole court. >> so you are optimistic, because there's a lot of speculation, and concern, that because clarence thomas is the justice, it's overseeing, this the 11th circuit, as he sits on the supreme court. that that can somehow factor into all of this. you are optimistic that all the entire court could review it and then what? that they are not going to find in trump's favor? >> yet what i would say is i'm optimistic, either clarence thomas is going to deny it on his face because it's a laughable, and that he doesn't just doesn't need to accept any o

. >>> justice clarence thomas gives the department of justice a deadline after trump's emergency request for the supreme court to intervene in the mar-a-lago case. >>> new audio of trump talking about ron desantis, a man trump calls whiney and fat. let's go out front. good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, russia admitting defeat. the spokesman for putin's defense ministry pointing to a map that acknowledges significant losses on the battlefield. this is the map that russia showed today of territory it claimed is under its control. in one day they show that russian forces have been pushed south. you can actually see it in the change in the shades. they're showing that themselves, and the russians are talking publicly about their significant losses. a war correspondent for russian state media today said that russia's special military operation is undergoing a, quote, operational crisis. and drenched in the blood of our soldiers. that's a direct quote talking about retreat, a brutal retreat and that it has been a disaster. these are graphic and brutally honest observations of t

the supreme court justice assigned to the 11th circuit is none other than justice clarence thomas.ordered the doj to respond to trump's request, by next tuesday. the court won't act before it receives that response, meaning the lower court ruling remains in place, at least for now. joining us now to break down these important developments, msnbc legal analyst, our friend danny cevallos. danny, thank you for being here. walks through trump's argument, what exactly do they want the supreme court to do and what could it do for doj's probe? >> jonathan, anyone who reviews what's going on doesn't know what's going on. it creates a procedural ago choir. a court ordering something prevented. then there's an appeal the lower court preventing something. now trump is asking the supreme court to prevent the appeals court preventing something. this is the world of injunctive relief. and the trump team makes a very hypertechnical argument. they're basically saying to the supreme court, hey, when the 11th circuit looked at this appeal, they were looking at a district court order that really only

and yet today clarence thomas, whose wife doesn't lie about still believing that donald trump shouldden stole the election, he's deciding cases involving an investigation into justice that. >> yeah. i mean, i think, nicolle, that -- actually, i think john roberts does care about it. i don't know exactly what john roberts can do about it in these cases. it's not as though -- the chief justice does not have -- i'm the wrong person to have on to talk about what the powers of the chief justice are in toto. there are so few cases in which the chief justice has been called upon to use all of the powers the chief justice has. but i think in some cases there's not much that he can do. now, there is some question obviously about whether roberts could step outside the traditional role and decide to do things that no supreme court justice has ever done, like try to call on clarence thomas to recuse himself from cases where he seems to have a conflict. but i do think that one of the things that the poison fruit at the center of all this is as we've learned more about ginni thomas and her role we

. >> clarence thomas put this on the radar as something he was interested in re-examining.upport too. so overwhelming support from the american people is totally irrelevant to the united states supreme court. and the members on the conserve tough side. 71% of all americans want marriage equality. i was thinking about justice soda mi mayor's comments. she was talking about republican members of the state legislature acting to overturn roe and pass a law that would test a case in the supreme court because who have had been seated on it. because after the course and kavanaugh confirmations, they were confident a roe result. that has the same stench, if you will, seeing what this court will do and then legislating in response to that. how do you see it? >> yeah. it's understandable that people are skeptical of what some of these conservative justices have said. on the issue of gay marriage given what they said about roe being precedent. and, you know, just alito tried to make a big point when he was handed down and saying this doesn't affect either the contraception or gay marr

wade, justice clarence thomas signaled his desire to keep going. >> clarence thomas wrote so many otherbs. >> he called on the court to reconsider the right to contraception, gay marriage, even same-sex intimacy. liberals may not like it, but there is a certain logic to the thomas argument. like roe, those rights were all based on what previous courts saw as a constitutional right to privacy. strike down that foundation, and the other rights fall with it. in a separate concurrence, justice kavanaugh said the court was not opening the door to eliminating other rights. >> he bent over backwards to say this is only about abortion. >> he was trying to reassure the american people, but thomas' logic is clear, and we know that this court does not mind overturning long-established laws and supreme court residence. >> a good example would be the new york state gun law more than 100 years old. >> it doesn't end there. america's long standing system of governance is under fire. for nearly 100 years, congress has passed sweeping laws empowering federal agencies, like the epa, the fda, and others,

and that's clarence right there. and two of ed's kids he had three children two of his kids got in the picture too. that's his son terry. standing at attention up on the top of the steps. and that's his daughter katie. way in the back right back there. you can barely see her is ed's wife. stella cahill smiling into the 60s stella had good reason to be smiling stella was born a couple of days after christmas in 1916 deep in the polish ghetto of chicago where she for her parents lived? on what her father who was a tailor managed to bring home from his trade? she had an older brother chester and the four of them lived in a tenement deep inside the ghetto. just about two years after her birth. her father died killed by the spanish flu that was then raging through the poorest neighborhoods of american cities. and her mother with two young children to raise face the prospect of tumbling into the worst forms of poverty she tried to break the family's fall by getting married again in 1920. she married another polish immigran