choose nice ones. >> and i'm interested in clarence king, a man with a very big secret. could you say more about him? >> i could say much more about him and, in fact, he was, he became very interesting to me. the secret to which it alluded here is the fact that clarence king was a very young man. he didn't go to the war but, rather, went west and surveyed the west and became the first chief of the united states surveying expedition, was very well known, a bon vivant. brilliant man, earthly. a club man -- evidently. a club man, a good man, a man who wanted to be a writer and wrote a very popular and still, i think, very good book called "mount nearing in the sierra nevadas." a man who loved the west and who kept a secret, and the secret was he was the common law husband of a black woman in new york city or in queens, i think. he told her, he gave her an alias. she never knew that -- she never knew that he was clarence king, and his friends who included notables like henry adams, john hay, they never knew that clarence king had secret marriage and several children. so he's

knew that clarence king had the secret marriages several children.so he's interesting. the reason he's in this book is not just because of that interesting nowadays is because he loves the last and he's there who takes it to the last and seems to be in relative rescued and beauty and mount this anomaly keeps a secret, but actually begins to exploit the west who for his another people's riches, brilliant scientist arthur paper of you not think i pronounce it, catastrophic as an in the 1870s and he was talking about you is positing a different view of evolution, different from darwinism on one hand and different from atticus the sioux had done. what he talks about w-whiskey tester fee and how catastrophes change the course of how geology, not the mountain, how things develop. it was so interesting to me that here he was the man who hated the war somehow and summaries and a catastrophe in scientific terms, also is still dealing with the wind 1870s had that air america was success by all standards and yet has the secret life, which seemed to me than to g

you mentioned clarence king who went on to finish 7 sections of the book, i can move westward because i want to get -- i realized i couldn't move westward. i hadn't said the west up. how do i set the west up? i don't want to set it and as a place where we are going to destroy it another people. i want to set it up for what it also represents, great beauty,

it is a question about clarence king. the story i am vaguely familiar with, the secret life of clarence king, a secret life in brooklyn, i think a book, more recently than yours. do you have comments on it? >> there is a book called passing strange. when i was working on clarence king i got a message from -- the great library in southern california. the huntington saying there's someone else working on clarence king. would you like to be introduced? sure, what do i care? famous scholar of photography and we did this little dance and i was interested in the first part of king's life when he was doing things. she was very focused on this. king had not black wife. he was a friend of henry adams, a man around d.c. and he fell in love with this black woman and he set her up in a house in brooklyn and didn't tell his friends about her and didn't really behave very well towards her. i was not as interested in that part of his life. and she was more interested in the other so they fit together in a way, the two books. there is no

you are here, it's a question about clarence king. >> okay. >> and the story that an fate with me, theecret life of clarence king and his secret life in brooklyn or what ever, it's i think the book more recently than yours -- >> yes. >> is a true? you have comments on its? >> there's a book called passing strange. when i was working on clarence king i got a message from the -- i'm blanking -- great library in -- the huntington saying someone else's working o on clarence ki, what you like to be introduced? i said sure but it turned out it was this pretty famous scholar of photography, and we kind of did this little dance, and it turned out i was early interest in the first part of king's life when he was doing things. and she was very focused on, team had -- team had a black wife. he was a friend of henry adams, in and around down in d.c. and he fell in love with this black woman and he set up in a house in brooklyn and didn't know any of his friends about her. and didn't really behave very well torture. i was sort of not as interested in that part of his life. i was more interested, an

>> it is funny because when i was working on clarence king i get a message from the great library and southern california, of huntington saying somebody else is working on clarence king would like to be introduced? i said sure so it was the pretty famous scholar of photography in to we did a little dance but it turned out i was interested the first part of his life when he was doing things but she was focused that he had a black wife and was a friend of henry adams and he fell in love with a black woman and set her up in a house in brooklyn in did not tell any friends about her in and did not behave very well to her. i was not as interested in that part of her life so they fit together and away with the two books. no doubt he had a wife and did not treat her well and did not provide for her and their children. john hay and his heirs gave them money for some years after king died. she later sued to say there is a big chunk of many said they never gave her. but to be a black woman in new york she did not make headway with that. >> somebody asked how long does it take to take pictures? i

you mentioned clarence king who went on to finish 7 sections of the book, i can move westward because i want to get -- i realized i couldn't move westward. i hadn't said the west up. how do i set the west up? i don't want to set it and as a place where we are going to destroy it another people. i want to set it up for what it also represents, great beauty, natural resources not just in terms of gold or copper or trees that can turn into paper but because of a grand expanse of beauty which involve photographers and enthralled many groups of people, not allowed to get to the west in that particular way. i could go on and on. there are certainly people i have known about like an dickenson before, a revelation to me in many places as well. i didn't know she existed when i wrote about emily dickinson and come came up, can't you get their name right? there is an dickenson, she is enormously important in history. when the abolitionists and her out like a canary in the moorings like pennsylvania coal miners to talk about anti slavery movement and republicans in a hostile environment, they sen

king jr. and clarence jones and between clarence jones and stanley leveson, between stanley leveson and martin luther king jr., every telephone call was wiretapped. the conversations were transcribed. additionally with respect to clarence johnson martin king every meeting that we attended together and every place that we would agree to meet or actually meet was under photographic surveillance. >> host: these repairmen show up. >> guest: yeah, right. >> host: the house is wired. >> guest: i was thinking, i used to drink heavily but it was controlled drinking. i liked martinis and during that time we would have conference calls. martin would double up with laughter because we would have conference calls at 11:00 at night. before the conference call would start i would say no hold on now. do you have always of your equipment they are? i want to be sure you get everything down because this is going to be a long conference. martin would say clarence stop with the theatrics. let's just get on with it that i really believed it. let me make sure to say so we can move on, i believe stanley leveson this

clarence jones discusses his new book, "behind the dream." in that the former adviser and speechwriter for dr. martin luther king, jr. examines the creation of the "i have a dream" speech. the stanford stanford university scholar in residence also discusses his relationship with the civil rights leader and several of his fellow advisers. he speaks with herb boyd. >> host: clarence jones i am blessed and astonisheastonished to be with you because over the years all of my books have been trying to catch up with you to get a few quotes in a better understanding of dr. king's life. he spent a solid eight years with him. i know for five books out there david garo's buck taylor branch they mentioned you and they cite you. i said i need to catch up with him because i need to get that same information. i was never successful but someone else was trying to catch up with you and that was docked or king.

underground tunnel between the white house and monsanto even the kings and queens in the highest court of the land. ties to the nega corporation clarence thomas used to be an attorney for the ag giant and now he sits as justice of the supreme court . do you know if there is one person you could think for an old mr roger beachy the cheese research from monsanto led to the world's first genetically modified crop so knowing all of this is it any wonder why congress is not going to the extension to the monsanto protection act in the latest spending bill and this has been your revolving door alert of congressional sellouts and has always sponsored by monsanto . reddy no nestle's making a living canadian water in fact every year the company extracts two hundred sixty five million liters of water from the ground in hope british columbia and sells it back to the residents for a dollar ninety nine cents but nestle is getting away with it because the canadian province has no zero regulations on accessing its water this means that nestle can keep the land with absolutely no consequences and without making a dent and its twelve billion dollar annu

who just the other day was hailing the memory of martin luther king is about to visit on the world wants a discreet as a concern clarence said you know in fascism comes to america to be wrapped in the american flag and. on a bible george i wanted to talk about your documentary you just are to kickstarter for the killing of tony blair what is this movie and your kind of a big deal i'm sure you could've gotten a lot of corporate sponsors to make this film why go the grassroots route well we wanted democratic funding of the film i could have gone to a few rich people and raised a lot of money but i decided to go to thousands of not rich people under is a little money from each of them and we reached our kickstarter fifty thousand pound that's about seventy thousand dollars kickstarter fund limit we reached in less than one week so we have just under thirty days to go to raise the money that we need to make the equivalent of nine eleven we intend our goal is a vicious we intend to put tony blair the middle east peace envoy that's going well isn't it tony in prison for crimes against humanity for war crimes he muttered of th

who just the other day was hailing the memory of martin luther king is about to visit on the world was a disgrace and as a concern clarence said you know when fascism comes to america to be wrapped in the american flag and. on a bible george i wanted to talk about your documentary you just are to kickstarter for the killing of tony blair what is this movie and your kind of a big deal i'm sure you could've gotten a lot of corporate sponsors to make this film why go the grassroots route well we wanted democratic funding of the film i could have gone to a few rich people and raised a lot of money but i decided to go to thousands of not rich people under is a little money from each of them and we reached our kickstarter fifty thousand pound that's about seventy thousand dollars kickstarter fund limit we reached in less than one week so we have just under thirty days to go to raise the money that we need to make the equivalent of nine eleven we intend our goal is a vicious we intend to put tony blair the middle east peace envoy that's going well isn't it tony in prison for crimes against humanity for war crimes he muttered of

king jr. every phone call was wiretapped in the conversations were transcribed. additionally in respect to clarence jones, every meeting we attended together, every place we agreed to meet, photographing it for surveillance, martin comes to just in this way. in fact, i said, you know, i was thinking that i love martinis. during that. next time, when i began to have suspicions, we have conference calls. the martin would double up at like 11:00 o'clock at night. so before it starts, i would say, hold on, now. i make sure that you get everything down. because this is going to be a long time. and he was like, you know, i really believe this. let me just say that we can move on. i believe that stanley levinson, this jewish lawyer, and any other context when you look at the magnitude of the contributions, he would be given nation's highest medal of honor. he would be a white house armory. no question. >> he died in 1979? >> yes. >> so i think that the movement -- personally think that the civil rights movement, the history of the civil rights movement in relation to him, he has not gotten his proper due.