. >> and i will nominate judge clarence thomas to serve as associate justice of the united states supreme>> that's when all heck broke loose. >> judge thomas began to use work situations to discuss sex. >> we know exactly what's going on here. this is the wrong black guy. he has to be destroyed. it really didn't matter. what mattered was what they wanted. >> so you'd still like to serve on the supreme court? >> i'd rather die from withdraw from the process. >> i wanted to be able to say i lived up to my oath and i did my best. >> so michael, what were we just watching here? >> that was the trailer to our film, "created equal", clarence thomas in his own word, same title as the book. and it was released in january of 2020 in a bunch of theaters, 110 theaters and covid cut it short and broadcast on then did well and digitally, it's on amazon, the viewers can go to our website, and that was based on a long history of clarence thomas. i think you could see he looked right at the camera and tells his story in his own words from his beginning to today. so i interviewed him over 24 hours, over f

i will nominate judge clarence thomas to serve as associate justice of the united states supreme court. that's when oh heck broke loose judge thomas began to use work situations to discuss sex. we know exactly what's going on here. this is the wrong black guy. he has to be destroyed you really didn't matter what mattered was what they wanted so you'd still like to serve on the supreme court. i'd rather die than withdraw from the process. that wouldn't be able to say my lived up to my oath and did my best. so michael pack, what were we just watching there? well, that was the trailer to our film called created equal clarence thomas and his own words. the same title is the book. it's a two-hour film. it was released in january of 2020 was in a bunch of theaters 110 theaters and then covid cut. it's the actual release short. it was then broadcast nationally on pbs in may did very well on pbs and then it was released digitally and it's still available digitally. it's on amazon and viewers can go to our website manifold productions.com with a full list of how to watch it. and that film was b

and that film was based on a very long interview with clarence thomas. i think you could say he looked right at the camera to tell his story in his own words from its beginnings to today so i interviewed him for 24 hours over a four-month period and ginny and they're the only interviews in the film and that's why clarence thomas in his own words. it was a 25 hour interview in a film so my co-author of the book a long-term friend of the thomases had the idea that we should take some of f that material and put it in a book. the book is 95 percent new material but it follows the same pattern as the film . tell the life story from the beginning and on to today. so i think this is an important moment for people to understand estes thomas and where he is and who he is as a person. >> what was it like trying to convince supreme courtjustice to sit down for 24 hours ? >> it was not easy and it was the largest longest interview ever granted by any supreme court justice let alone one that's reluctant to be interviewed but the film evolved in at each stage and i wa

. >> i nominate judge clarence thomas as the united states supreme court. >> judge thomas. >> what matterss what they wanted. i would rather die than withdraw from the process. i wouldn't be able to say i lived up to my oath and did my bestt. >> so what were we just watching their? >> that was the trailer for "created equal" it is a two hour film and was released in january of 2020 and 110 theaters and then covid cut it short and it was broadcast nationally on pbs then was released digitally and is still available digitally. viewers can go to the website with a full list of how to watch it. that film was based on a long history of clarence thomas. i think you can see he looked right at the camera and tells his story in his own words from beginning to today. i interviewed him over 24 hours over a period and jeannie and those are the only ones in the film. it was a 25 hour interview in a two hour film so my co-author of book, a longtime friend of the thomases had the idea we should take some of the material and put it in a book and its 95% of new material but it follows the same pattern as t

clarence thomas might ultimately rule against lindsey graham. that doesn't change the fact that clarence thomas has violated a perfectly reasonable law by participating in this case. the case in which his spouse quote, is known by the justice to have an interest in that could be substantially affected by the outcome. by not recusing in this case, no matter how the case turns out, clarence thomas has disgraced himself and the united states supreme court once again. remember, the issue of recusal is not about the judges actual and real inability to be fair. the issue of recusal turns on our perception, a regional bull person's perception of a judges potential conflict of interest. this is full of that. for three justices of the current supreme court. all of whom should be recused in this case. none of whom will recuse in this case. not on the trump and. in the other criminal investigation targeting donald trump, the new york times is reporting tonight that prosecutors are focusing on two witnesses, one of whom who was seen on video actually moving

during what clarence thomas's wife was urging them to do would have been a crime. same with the frantic urgings virginia thomas was sending to the white house, according to donald trump's last chief of staff, mark meadows. lawyer virginia thomas, never once urged republicans to overturn the election using legal means. after all of the courts, including the supreme court, refused any legal approaches to overturn the election. virginia thomas now pretends in her recent testimony to the january six committee, that just because she did not advocate committing any specific crimes, her email and text rantings to republicans around the country were all perfectly legal. no supreme court justice in history has ever been more publicly compromised by the conduct of a relative than clarence thomas. but today, clarence thomas did not recuse himself when donald trump's lawyers filed their appeal to the supreme court directly to clarence thomas. asking him to overrule the 11th circuit court of appeals that ruled in favor of the justice department by exclusion 100 classified docume

now, hatch always believed clarence thomas.ut he did say that out of this spectacle, really, that out of this terrible event, one good thing that happened. and that was the issue of sexual harassment in the workplace was suddenly discussed by americans and brought out into the open, and that is a good thing. and i would totally agree with him on that. but don't forget that there is no person more responsible for shaping the modern supreme court than orrin hatch. his work on the judiciary committee and with many confirmations. but remember, he was ruth bader ginsbu's biggest champion acrding to ruth bader ginsburg in the mid-1990's when she was nominated by bill clinton. and the reason hatch did that was he respected her as a jurist, and he thought she was the most qualified of the likely candidates that clinton was going to put forward. so that is kind of a forgotten piece of this equation that is really kind of fascinating. and again, i think it speaks to a very strong streak of intellectual honesty that hatch had that i think

the arizona supreme court and is a close friend and former colleague of supreme court justice clarence thomas so, don't try to tell me there is some sort of chinese wall between justice thomas and his wife. that they have nothing to do with each other on this story. as jenny claimed in her opening statement to the 16 committee. they refer to each other at each other's best friends. so how exactly was she returning to when she texted mark meadows this reply, saying thank you, needed that. this plus a conversation with my best friend just now. i will try to keep holding on. america is worth it. perhaps the committee members asked her about that. although, i remind you, she was not under oath. so, can we expect her much awaited testimony on her alleged role in the to? to make an appearance on the next and final -- despite confirming that the wife of a supreme court justice confirmed -- was stolen, the chairman, benny thompson, said that some of thomas's testimony could be incorporated into the race scheduled hearing if there is something of merit. if there is something of merit? if? another janu

you know, the word recusal doesn't seem to be in clarence thomas' lexicon.he's wading in to the same territory in which he has a conflict. he's the one who voted to withhold his own wife's deeply damaging and potentially incriminating text messages to mark meadows, urging him to overturn the results of a presidential election. but here we go again. now, we can perhaps talk each other down a little bit because it looks like this is a temporary pause, and it looks like clarence thomas said we're going to wait to receive the legal brief from fani willis and her team, which is due on thursday. and then as you say, clarence thomas can still act on his own and either reject lindsey graham's claims or accept them and say, yeah, we do think lindsey graham is above the law, and he shouldn't have to testify about the crimes of donald trump, or clarence thomas can give the issue to the entire court, which i think is the only way to at least pretend the decision will have some legitimacy. >> and even then, i don't trust those six people. they're politicians. i think the

he quotes kavanaugh and clarence thomas, two people who are credibly accused sex offenders. herschel walker ain't accused of that. what is going on here? >> i mean, if that's your alibi, i think you're trending some deep water there, but this is the thing about the republican party -- >> i shouldn't say sex offenders. >> this is the do as i say, not as i do. they're all about no one should have an abortion, except if the father needs one, we're willing to look the other way, and fund raise for you. they hate big government but they want government telling you what you can and cannot do with your body. they hate socialism but they're all of a sudden going to be asking the federal government for billions and billions of dollars to help rebuild florida, they voted against rebuilding certain other states hit by hurricanes and storms but they want that for themselves. everything the republican party is about is do as i say, not as i do. family values is a slogan. it's branding. it doesn't mean anything. the guy they have lined up behind, the person they have been willing to burn

six committee, we did not yet know that those communications could include text messages from clarence thomas's then white house chief of staff mark meadows, since that decision, we had discover that virginia thomas was texting the white house urging on, any attempt to overthrow the presidential election, long after there were any legal options left for contesting that election. and early in the process, virginia thomas texted mark meadows saying, the biden climb family and a ballot fraud coconspirators -- are being arrested and detained for ballots fraud right now, and over coming days, and will be living in barges off gitmo to face military tribunals for sedition. mrs. thomas is a lawyer and she actually wrote the things. since those text, have become public, chief justice john roberts has not said one word about the obvious conflict of interest that clarence thomas has in any case involving donald trump. in fact, justice john roberts has never said a word about how to deal with conflict of interest at the united states supreme court. our next guest has a plan for that. joining us now is demo

jamie raskin calling out the remarkable rejection of facts from ginni thomas, wife of justice clarence thomasread voter fraud, the pant will chairman told the 106 committee, this week she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. of course it was not, but ginni thomas is not the only one who shares this view. nearly two years after his election defeat, donald trump's lies still have a hold on gop voters. look at this. a new monmouth university poll found 61% of republicans still accept the big lie of the stolen election. joining me now, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, peter baker. his new book, the divider, trump in the white house it, is out now. also with us, former u.s. attorney and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast, barbara mcquade. both barb and peter are msnbc analysts. barb, peter, thank you for joining us. we, no luck, ginni thomas is not just some random person sharing election memes on social media. she is the spouse of a supreme court justice. she played an active role in the plot to overturn president biden's election victory. peter, how did

justice implicated in a multi tentacled scheme to overturn -- ginni thomas claims her husband, clarence thomasno knowledge of her postelection activities, but he doesn't need to know all the details to support the big lie like she does. lest we forget justice thomas was the lone dissenting vote on the supreme court when it rejected trump's efforts to block the release of his presidential records for the january six committee. the wife of a sitting supreme court justice believes the 2020 election was stolen, and we are to believe she never talked about any of that with her husband. who are we kidding? my sunday night panel is back with me. christina, i'll start with you. trump is praising supreme court justice's wife for believing the big lie. it doesn't get much crazier than that. >> now. and the fact that justice thomas still hasn't recused himself should let us know we're in very dangerous territory with the supreme court. it should be an autonomous branch and shouldn't be affected by politics and the way that ginni thomas is clearly -- several states across the united states. she seems pret

it went to clarence thomas, the supreme court justice assigned to the 11th circuit. through this appeal. i find it confusing, to say the least. >> the focus is on procedural matters, essentially what they are saying is the 11th circuit lacked jurisdiction to decide this piecemeal issue. in general, litigation favors one big appeal at the end of the whole thing rather than appealing every subissue that comes up along the way in the interest of efficiency. the reason they will fail here is that the government prevailed in showing that it could suffer irreparable harm if it lost this issue. this issue, of course, is that simple matter as to whether the special master should be reviewing those classified documents or whether they should return immediately to the government. which they have in the meantime. now this appeal is asking the supreme court through the circuit justice, clarence thomas, to overturn that order and make those documents go back through the special master process. we will see what happens there. i think the law is very strongly on the side of the gov

. >>> justice clarence thomas gives the department of justice a deadline after trump's emergency request for the supreme court to intervene in the mar-a-lago case. >>> new audio of trump talking about ron desantis, a man trump calls whiney and fat. let's go out front. good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, russia admitting defeat. the spokesman for putin's

well trumps team has appealed to the supreme court, namely to clarence thomas, thomas himself, to decide whether or not that investigation can continue as is happening now. so a lot is at stake, a lot is happening. but the committee's true challenge here today is to re focus americans attention on why this matters with their argument that trump is true. we'll try to overturn the election that he still poses a risk to american democracy. hardy, thanks for that. from capitol hill. north korea says it's a test fire to cruise missiles, which are capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons. either kim at johnson says, the launch it proves that north korea is prepared for wool. so young has carried out a series of missile tests during the last 2 weeks. one of which was fired over japan . tokyo has admitted that it's facing difficulties in detecting launches. in your chart, it was a little ongoing. so need to do up regarding the ballistic missiles that have arranged it could include japan, it is likely that they have already achieved the capability of minutes rising and mounting nuclear warhea

but to me, the most challenging part of this has to do with the clarence thomas, the sitting supreme stice. that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines. she is just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem her

but to me, the most challenging part of this has to do with the clarence thomas, the sitting supreme justice. that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines. she is just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem h

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this on his wife, the column from the new york times: the wife of justice clarence thomas.e on clearance thomas, this event from last year. this is on the influence of the courts and his colleagues, especially the influence scalia had on him. >> we had not met before i got to the court. we met and i think we found out that even though we were from very different backgrounds, we thought alike. we trusted each other. for more than a quarter of a century, we worked together without seeing each other all that much. he was really funny. he would ask me to go hunting with him. he thought it was odd that someone from rural georgia would not go hunting. it's really odd that someone from urban new york and new jersey will go hunting. i said i left nothing in the woods. you expect me to risk snakebites , ticks, fleas, to kill some unassuming bird? no. he invited me to go to the kennedy center. he said, you like classical music. i sure do. he said, come to the kennedy center. i don't like people who like classical music. it is different without him. he is the one person i truly miss.

one reason why we are talking about clarence thomas, there are a number of justices whose spouses havetepped back from advocacy, litigation when they saw their spouse rise to the federal bench. with ginni thomas, we see she is affirmatively engaged in an effort to monetize her position and her proximity to clarence thomas. this manifests in things like clarence thomas forgetting to mention his wife got $680,000 from the heritage foundation because it has no business that could be relevant to the supreme court. there are any number of ways -- you think you will go and have your day in court. what happens when you show up and the decision has already been made before you walk into the room? from the standpoint of being an advocate, we are focused on what's happening behind those those doors, how do we bring some light to what the supreme is doing? as chairman johnson and representative jones mentioned at their hearing in april, the supreme court doesn't have oversight. >> there is no oversight for justice members on the supreme court. there is actually no enforcement. what would be the m

in theory clarence thomas -- more than in theory. fact clarence thomas could act on his own and grant this stay which is what the trump team is asking, that the special master be allowed to review the 100 classified documents to see if any of them are privileged. if thomas did that, it would be one of the most brazen acts in judicial history given the role of his wife and her involvement in the january 6th investigation. if he did that, the full court could overrule him. there's a question as to whether the court will even hear this request by the trump team. a lot of legal experts say it's not well-founded in law and the supreme court is reluctant to get involved in these discovery disputes. there's another interesting thing in this brief. the trump team says one of the roles of the special master should be to decide whether these documents were properly classified. you guys know when the special master asked the trump team for any information about whether the president declassified the documents, they refused to answer. they said

>> well, unfortunately, that's not up to anyone external, that is up to clarence thomas.nd he'll have to make that decision about whether or not he should participate. but look, he's the circuit justice. he's the justice who was allotted to the 11th circuit. these sort of matters would come automatically to him. so, i don't see anything nefarious in that, and in the briefing schedule that he has said is entirely appropriate. the issue itself here is that a technical legal one, involving jurisdiction. and it's rather an interesting one, involving what the right time to take, and appeal is. trump's lawyers say that doj was premature, in that the 11th circuit was wrong to act. so, i think for nerds like me, this would be a fascinating discussion. the rest of the country will simply be looking for the outcome here, and seeing whether the supreme court will plant the 11th circuit, or led them to continue here issues that evolve on this matter. >> let's quick question, joyce. you are a former prosecutor. if donald trump was not donald trump, if he was an ordinary person, not tr

trump's appeal was directed to justice clarence thomas because he oversees the 11th circuit court, and supreme court ask the doj to file its response to trump's request by 5 pm october 11th. just a short time ago, one legal expert reacted to trump's latest move. >> it's a very narrow appeal. you could spin a lot of things here that would go very badly for donald trump, such as the special master having a hearing and whether these were classified or declassified. that would be a nightmare for donald trump. >> the supreme court did hear arguments today in the latest battle over the voting rights act. in a case drawn by alabama map meters, the lower court ruled that the redistricting had weakened the power of black voters there. the court's newest justice, ketanji brown jackson, took a lead role and questioning the alabama solicitor general. this is also the second day of testimony in the trial of several oath keepers, accused of seditious conspiracy, related to the january 6th riot. today in court, the government played a secret phone recording from november, 2020. where members are her

and then the whole thing could be muted. >> do you really expect clarence thomas to actually sit?ou think it's possible he could be that unfriendly to this case as it concerns trump's interested? >> i would say, first, i think it's important that he would send something to the full court and not decide something, you know, unilaterally. then if you're chief justice roberts, there is a lot of institutional reasons to not get involved in something like this. they have taken so many hits sort of publicly in terms of whether they are political body. and this is a case where there is such little merit to what is being argued. and there are so many ways to not rule on this. and i mean, they just understand, the supreme court rarely takes anything. >> right. >> so this is not one where you read the brief and say there is an injustice done here. >> well, yes. i will say they're hearing cases right now that i think a lot of people are concerned about. they wish they wouldn't take up. >> that's right. >> let me just did in terms of eileen cannon, all roads keep going back to her. if there a

and clarence thomas again, he's asleep, that's why he does not talk much. he's old and he's married and he learned how to look interested, oh -- >> all right, you can sleep with your eyes open. >> have you learned that? >> he's resting his eyes. >> it is different. >> yes, i have slept with my eyes opened. >> katrina, does these surprise you at all? >> i would hate to defend her but, i have to stick to the ladies. men have selective hearing that's why we have to speak so much and that's why i am single because i don't have to talk to anyone. >> oh. >> in business, i get straight to the point. i am like straight to the point but when you are around men, you have to emphasize your points because they don't listen, that's why you are texting so much. >> this lady over here is talking? >> i have no idea, i heard some murmuring. >> i heard what you said. >> thank you, guys. >> you are single! [ applause ] >> yeah. >> gotcha. if you are a supreme court judge, who to say one day women were to be supreme court judges. >> what? >> i am waiting for you to be done tal

clarence thomas, justice clarence thomas, said that the justice department has to 5 pm on october 11th, that's a week from tonight. team trump is asking for the special master to get access to more than 100 classified documents found in the search of mar-a-lago, which would also mean trump's legal team could see them. which sounds like a page right out of the trump playbook. and you know what that page is, it's delay, delay, delay. that's really all this is. you want to put things into perspective? it's just delay, push it further down the road. and then also, you know, sent a fund raising letters to help so that he could raise money off of all of this. that's just, that's what's happening. and he's hoping that the court will take beside. a conservative majority court courtesy of, of course, the former president himself. a fact is probably top of mind down in mar-a-lago. but you've got to wonder whether the supreme court, which has ruled against him in earlier cases, actually want anything to do with this. they might not want to touch it with a ten foot pole, amidst the outrage over wh

and it's important to remember with clarence thomas, people understand, that was not a really selection is the every circuit, every federal appeals court has a justice and the supreme court who oversees any emergency relief. and so he just happens to be the justice for this particular circuit. >> for the 11th circuit. >> exactly, he has limited authority. he can't just do something unilaterally that couldn't be reviewed by the entire court. and it's also unlikely that he, if you wanted to grant something, that he would have sent it to the whole court. >> so you are optimistic, because there's a lot of speculation, and concern, that because clarence thomas is the justice, it's overseeing, this the 11th circuit, as he sits on the supreme court. that that can somehow factor into all of this. you are optimistic that all the entire court could review it and then what? that they are not going to find in trump's favor? >> yet what i would say is i'm optimistic, either clarence thomas is going to deny it on his face because it's a laughable, and that he doesn't just doesn't need to accept any o

because the proceedings are ongoing as we speak. >> let's talk a little bit about the role that clarence thomas play. he was the lone justice dissenting in the vote when the supreme court heard the last time the january 6th documents. we should also note his wife ginni thomas just last week reiterated her belief to the january 6th committee that the election was stolen. we know she's under scrutiny for her efforts to overturn the results in wisconsin and arizona. weigh in what you expect to hear from him, and what do you think happens by tuesday? >> it's hard to say, we have to look at what the doj briefing says. it's an interesting part of supreme court jurisprudence, that there is this assign of justice, you look at depending on the area you're appealing if you're in pennsylvania, probably you'll get justice alito, because he handles that circuit. so it is san interesting feature that this could have gone to another justice if we were geographically in another place, or there was some other basis for that justice. now clarence thomas plays an outsized role, especially given, what i would call

. >>> justice clarence thomas gives the department of justice a deadline after trump's emergency request for the supreme court to intervene in the mar-a-lago case. >>> new audio of trump talking about ron desantis, a man trump calls whiney and fat. let's go out front. good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, russia admitting defeat. the spokesman for putin's defense ministry pointing to a map that acknowledges significant losses on the battlefield. this is the map that russia showed today of territory it claimed is under its control. in one day they show that russian forces have been pushed south. you can actually see it in the change in the shades. they're showing that themselves, and the russians are talking publicly about their significant losses. a war correspondent for russian state media today said that russia's special military operation is undergoing a, quote, operational crisis. and drenched in the blood of our soldiers. that's a direct quote talking about retreat, a brutal retreat and that it has been a disaster. these are graphic and brutally honest observations of t

the question is whether or not clarence thomas, given the fact, let's think back to ginni thomas i think biden crime family and other ballot conspiracy theorists in the lamestream media and others are being arrested and put on -- literally said put on barges off the coast of guantanamo so that they can face tribunals for sedition. this person married to a supreme court justice talking about the biden crime family, that supreme court justice in a moment of a crisis of confidence about the supreme court should not be the one who is the one person granting the stay. that easily is something that he could have and should have in my opinion recused from. and again, when it comes to senator graham-i think it's critically important to understand what the boundaries are and are not for elected federal representatives, how that matters in the big scheme of things of what georgia is facing. i think there is a lot of compelling evidence across the board. if you don't good lindsey graham, might there also be many other sources of very valuable evidence pointing to this fraud? sure. but i think it is

wade, justice clarence thomas signaled his desire to keep going. >> clarence thomas wrote so many otherbs. >> he called on the court to reconsider the right to contraception, gay marriage, even same-sex intimacy. liberals may not like it, but there is a certain logic to the thomas argument. like roe, those rights were all based on what previous courts saw as a constitutional right to privacy. strike down that foundation, and the other rights fall with it. in a separate concurrence, justice kavanaugh said the court was not opening the door to eliminating other rights. >> he bent over backwards to say this is only about abortion. >> he was trying to reassure the american people, but thomas' logic is clear, and we know that this court does not mind overturning long-established laws and supreme court residence. >> a good example would be the new york state gun law more than 100 years old. >> it doesn't end there. america's long standing system of governance is under fire. for nearly 100 years, congress has passed sweeping laws empowering federal agencies, like the epa, the fda, and others,

tell me and go through both clarence thomas in the supreme court and ginni thomas in her role in tryingriate accountability and scrutiny level for each. >> sure. ginni thomas, along with being a citizen of the united states who was involved in encouraging efforts to overturn an election. we know that she texted with then white house chief of staff mark meadows, urging him to take hard-line steps to try to overturn the election. we know she was in touch with officials in at least two states, urging them to put up new slates of electors that were different from the electors that the people of those states had voted for. that's a problem in and of itself. but she also is someone who actually a lot of people don't know has a federal position herself. she serves on the library of congress trust fund board, which controls a great deal of money, federal money. and, you know, somebody working within the federal government who essentially worked to overturn that government, that's a problem in and of itself. we were not suggesting that she was a central figure in those efforts, but she played a

so it wouldn't surprise me if clarence thomas maybe decides to recommend that the full court hear the other justices have to make a decision on that. i think they're going to reject it, because they can't -- there's no proof here that trump is going to suffer from irreparable harm if he doesn't get to look at these classified documents. >> given that everything is continuing right now, everything else -- the investigation is continuing, if there was a ruling in trump's favorite, by the time we got there, what would that change at this point? >> i don't think it changes anything. the only theory that i have is that trump feels that if the special master is allowed to look at the classified document, he'll share the information with trump's lawyers, and maybe give them a better indication as to what arguments that they can muster in the end when this case proceeds. maybe trump doesn't even know for sure what was in those boxes. remember, he was a sloppy record keeper, he may have just said throw that in the box you throw it in the box and he's not even 100% what was saved. he would like

clarence thomas today agreed to temporarily block a subpoena for the south carolina republican.m's testimony is sought by a special grand jury investigating possible criminal interference in georgia's 2020 presidential election. want to bring in sarah murray. why was justice thomas solo in making this decision? >> well, if justice thomas has jurisdiction over the lower courts that were considering this matter and the lower court said they were not going to press pause on this. graham has been arguing he should not have to appear before a grand jury. he said anything he did around the election essentially had to do with this role as a u.s. senator. the d.a. there has been wanting to ask him questions about calls he made to georgia election officials and lower courts have said if you were trying to cajole these election officials into doing something, we don't believe that's part of your legislative activity. >> pause for how long? what's the deadline for prosecutors to respond to the temporary? >> we don't know how long, but prosecutors have until thursday to respond to this and

the justices did find some lighter moments, when clarence thomas revealed his musical tastes. >> let'sm both a prince fan, which i was in the '80s, and um -- >> no longer? [laughter] >> well, only on thursday nights. [laughter] >> trevor: [deep voice] oh, yeah. justice thomas, i see you, you little freak-nasty. six days a week, it's shapeless black robes, but then thursday hits, and you got that chest bush of chest hair popping out. yeah! [normal voice] and i know a lot of people might be wondering why thomas only listens to prince on thursday nights specifically, but you see, clarence thomas is an originalist, and it's all right there in the constitution. night. it says that, we always go back. i don't know why they put that in there, but they did. but yeah, the big question in this case is if andy warhol simply copied the prince picture, or if he made it his own by transforming it. and it just so happens that i'm an art expert, so i'm uniquely qualified to answer this question. now if you compare them and look very closely, you'll see... he made it red. and purple. with some squiggly

clarence thomas is on the supreme court.re's never been one whisper of impropriety on behalf of clarence thomas. there has been a decades-long attempt to smear clarence thomas and to degrade him over time. this is a continuation of that. in regards to the approval ratings at the supreme court. they're not supposed to be reading polls. they're supposed to be reading the constitution and laws and make the decisions therein. you don't want this branch of government worried about its approval rating. you want them only worried about the law and doing the job that they were put on that court to do. the idea that they can't function unless they are waking up every day and checking a poll -- that's mob justice, that's mob rule! >> i don't think they are like teenagers checking their twitter feed. when i talk about the idea of the approval rating for the supreme court, and i agree, they are not supposed to be ruling to somebody like me. it's not like sally fields getting a award. the idea is whether or not you can operate if the pre

meantime, just a few days ago justice clarence thomas temporarily froze an order for senator lindseygeorgia grand jury probing efforts to overturn results there. ariane da vogue joins us now. explain why he blocked it? >> reporter: the supreme court keeps getting drawn into these political cases and it's the last place it wants to be but in this first case, the january 6th committee wants to talk to kelly ward because they're looking into activities that may have led up to those attacks and kelly ward was considered one of those alternative electors, the committee wanted to talk to her. she took the fifth so now they want her phone records. she's trying to block that. she lost in the lower court and her petition goes to elena kagan because elena kagan supervises this particular lower court. now, elena kagan did issue this temporary stay but that's really just an administrative move to give the justices more time to look into this issue. you can't say it's a ruling on the merits yet but it is temporary and for right now that particular subpoena is not going to go out. >> so what's the