clarence thomas, you know, w look at justices, the suprem court as these esteeme thinkers thesenalytic people who ar but literally above the rest o us, right? and clarence thomas had an opportunity to recuse himself, when deciding the case about offering up donald trump's tax returns, when offering up th phone records, that the hous panel, january 6th panel asked for. because guess whose number might have appeared there? his wives. we knew that she was ver heavily involved in th insurrection the fact that we have this weaponized supreme court tha clarence thomas is a star of that weaponized supreme court, the fact that he would allud to putting everything, every right that has been one, tha actually allow that man to sit in that seat, he was putting o the chopping block so for me, he is the ultimat heel of 2022 and he should be investigated. >> i am almost out of time >> i will split it because i think that donald trump is a healing blow that we are watching the flame i don't want to give him the credit of this i think that it is clarenc thomas the issue is, i don't thin that he

clarence thomas was a heel that's for sure. but he wasn't alone.hereas i think donald trump really alone, on his self is responsible for hurting the republican party in ways that it will take almost a generation to come back from and when you look at donald trump talking about 2022, he never talked about it. rev, he went to all these campaign rallies he wasn't like barack obama getting into it, doing turnout for candidates he went there and talked about 2020 and himself it was all about donald. so not only was he a bad surrogate, he hurt candidates. and imagine a former president, and right now the leading only republican candidate for president, he wasn't welcome in georgia. they said no thank you >> which is unthinkable. >> crazy so i think he really was a heel's heel. >> a heel's heel >> danielle, give me some heel's heel from you. >> i have to say i have to give it to clarence thomas. clarence thomas, you know, we look at justices, the supreme court, as these esteemed thinkers these analytic, you know, people who are literally above the rest of

those techs include tax from clarence thomas's wife to mark meadows and for mark meadows to clarence thomas's wife. the january 6th committee has thousands of more attacks to and from mark meadows and this week, talking points memo has been publishing many of them. a public hearing on monday next week, the january six will vote on possible criminal referrals that they may choose to make to the justice department. at a press conference this afternoon, house leader kevin mccarthy was asked about the january 6th upcoming report. >> miss the january six committee's gonna release a final report. are you or any of your colleagues may be referred for criminal. >> answer last question, no, not at all we did nothing wrong. >> many of donald trump's staunchest allies in the house of representatives are currently making life for kevin mccarthy in his quest to be speaker of the house. when the next congress is sworn in in january, the washington post reports, in the house far-right members are continuing to make demands of minority leader kevin mccarthy and exchange for their support as he desper

are we really going to let clarence thomas rule on this?g to that we estimating before supreme court heard the oral arguments in moore versus harper. our next guest, harvard law professor laurence tribe, responded saying, if clarence thomas participates in the questioning of council in more versus harper, he will be in open violation of that in unenforceable but still binding law. less than an hour later, clarence thomas participated in the questioning of council in moore versus harper. joining us now is professor laurence tribe who has taught constitutional law at harvard law school for five decades. thank you very much for joining us tonight, what is the law that clarence thomas is now apparently in violation of? >> the law, lawrence, is 28 u.s. code, section 4:55, and contains two provisions that almost any lawyer would say require clarence thomas not to participate at all. one of them says that a justice, specifically applies to supreme court justices, may not participate if somebody could reasonably question that justices impartiality.

and she said this about justice clarence thomas. have a list. >> justice thomas would be well advised to recuse himself from boots baiting in matters that relate to this. and so is the case for the other cases. >> peter, you and i -- i mean, i would argue that recusing is the bare minimum. that's the case to impeach clarence thomas for which he'd been involved in. but you and i both know there's any kind of recusal coming from him, unless democrats unanimously, consistently, largely banging the drum for him. peter, we know that. >> well, i don't know whether he's listening to democrats, honestly, if republicans, there might be thinking something different. look, if joyce knows better than i do on this kind of thing. the supreme court justices are the only ones who are not required to follow the certain. cote's decide to recuse themselves individually. the one person who might have influence perhaps cranston this might be chief justice roberts if he were, you know, to find this troubling and to make a point of bringing up with him. bu

this shift to clarence thomas. let's go back to 1980, a thurgood marshall, the most famous justice for a lot of people in this room, he is stuck. he -- and since 1967, he's a 78-year-old man, he is sick. he says just hung on through two administrations of ronald reagan, now george bush is involved. george bush has wiped michael duke of, because it doesn't look like a democrat is going to be in power in his lifetime. he is old and sec. he can't do the job anymore, at the high level that he come to expect for himself, and that he country has expected of him. so in an amazing active putting country first, thurgood marshall hands in his resignation letter to george h. w. bush, knowing full well that they would replace them with a person who wasn't up to his level. that's what he did for the country. he didn't die in 1988. thurgood marshall died in january 1993, two weeks after bill clinton was inaugurated president. never let them tell you that the justices they have on the court now are legitimate. never let them tell

her position in proximity to clarence thomas. this manifests and things like clarence thomas for getting to manchin and his wife got $680,000 from the heritage foundation. the heritage foundation has no business that could be relevant to the supreme court. there is any number of ways that, you know, you think that you are gonna go and have your day in court. what happens when you show up and the decision has already been made before you walk into the room? before the advocate walks into the room? from the standpoint of an ethics advocate, we are focused on what is happening behind those closed doors. it is about how we bring sunlight to what the supreme court is doing. as chairman johnson said their hearing in april, the supreme court is not even have a code of conduct. symone sanders, msnbc >> i wasn't gonna jump in in note that. there was no oversight for member years and justices on the supreme court. there is actually no one forcing. what is the enforcement mechanism? it does not exist. >> you hold tight. you're going to kick

caller: when clarence thomas was attending tea party functions with his wife.t became news and everybody became upset about it, and then it just died away. to me, that was just impropriety. you can't be a supreme court judge and be aligned with a political party. and then went mitch mcconnell refused to even interview merrick garland and just waited and waited and then we got kavanaugh and gorsuch and amy coney barrett, and they all sat there and they said we aren't going to touch roe.] it is going to remain, and since they got that, what happened? it went back to the states. there is no ethical standard. i watched the hearings and was shocked to know there is no code of ethics. it is up to the head of the court and robert doesn't seem to have any control. they can do pretty much what they want and they have a life term. there is no consequence. it is turning very political, turning very conservative, and it doesn't represent me. host: kathleen referring to thursday's hearing in the house judiciary committee. she watched it on c-span. you can find it on our web

so people wondered if that meant clarence thomas and here is what she said to the panel. said they asked her about that text and if she was calling her husband her best friend. she said mark meadows is a friend of mine and my best friend that i talk about is often my husband. so now we know she did talk to him on that day. we don't know exactly about what but what does that suggest? oh. hold on, margaret. we have to fix your audio. hold on a second. okay. hold that thought. we're going to fix that. shan, i'll come to you first. this doesn't look good. i mean it doesn't look good for justice clarence thomas that i mean this is what people feared. and here she's saying, yes, when i say my best friend in code it means my husband. >> exactly, she's confirmed what everyone had feared, and this really is much bigger than a spouse confiding in her spouse. it goes to the deep structural flaws of the current supreme court. they are incapable of policing themselves. they're living in a bubble and they want to demand that nobody scrutinize them whatsoever. really, the breadth of her

one reason why we are talking about clarence thomas, there are a number of justices whose spouses have stepped back from advocacy, litigation when they saw their spouse rise to the federal bench. with ginni thomas, we see she is affirmatively engaged in an effort to monetize her position and her proximity to clarence thomas. this manifests in things like clarence thomas forgetting to mention his wife got $680,000 from the heritage foundation because it has no business that could be relevant to the supreme court. there are any number of ways -- you think you will go and have your day in court. what happens when you show up and the decision has already been made before you walk into the room? from the standpoint of being an advocate, we are focused on what's happening behind those those doors, how do we bring some light to what the supreme is doing? as chairman johnson and representative jones mentioned at their hearing in april, the supreme court doesn't have oversight. >> there is no oversight for justice members on the supreme court. there is actually no enforcement. what would be the

your lives, you know, has that happened to you and for folks who don't know, you had worked for clarence thomasrtunity commission. and you testified that he had conducted terrible workplace sexual harassment against you. let's take a look. >> he spoke about acts that he had seen in pornographic films like animals having sex with animals or group scenes. one of the oddest episodes i remember is an occasion thomas was drinking a coke in his office. he got up from the table at which we were working. went over to his desk to get the coke, looked at the can and asked, who has put pubic hair on my coke? >> when you look at that, when you look at that young woman, what's your first thought? >> it was surreal. it was absolutely surreal and the fact that i didn't have any models for this, we didn't have lawyers who actually had experience with bringing these kinds of cases forward, we now have that. >> no, it was the first. you were the trade blazer. this was the first one. >> it was new but inside of me was the reality or realization that look, you know what happened. this is an important position, thi

originalists, would clarence thomas would really like black going back to being slaves.he only voters being white -- being white landowners now? i think the supreme court should reflect more of public desires. thank you. host: amy. any thoughts? guest: thank you for listening and thank you for your comments. host: let me bring marquette university that does a regular polling to ask what people think about supreme court. this approval is quite stark between now and 2020. the approval rating in 2020 was 66% and now it is 44%. the disapproval rating in 2020 was 33% and out is 56%. what do you think is causing that? guest: i think it was a reaction to the dobbs opinion and the hullabaloo surrounding the leak of the dobbs opinion and the dissatisfaction with the court, obviously. one thing that i have been blogging about and covering the supreme court for over 20 years and it has been interesting to me. there have certainly been stretches in time in which the supreme court's approval ratings did drop because of the citizens united decision in 2010 or shelby county v. holder a

i can point out that clarence thomas benefited from a front of action, even if he dislikes it. marriage and interracial marriages illegal. how dangerous is it to think that our supreme court is completely compromised after today's testimony? is even a legitimate branch of the government anymore if even 80% of what we heard today and testimony is the standard operating procedures for many justices? >> what we heard today was really shocking. this was a very sophisticated and well financed campaign to influence the court to become more conservative, to fortify their extreme positions. it was really shocking to hear the testimony. look, it's one of the reasons why we have to pass legislation that will in fact enact a code of ethics and direct a coat to enact a code of ethics. they make sure that there are requirements and disclosure for any gifts or anything that the court justices receive. any other federal judge or member of congress is supposed to go to disclosures and governed by a code of ethics. it's only the supreme court's exemption. that something we cannot stand. as a re

more on new january 6 witness transcripts, including ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomaser city overwhelmed. migrants overcrowding emergency shelters as they seek asylum claims. cbs' omar villafranca reports tonight from el paso. and "on the road." cbs' steve hartman with a lesson in kindness, both inside and outside the classroom. this is the "cbs evening news" with norah o'donnell, reporting from the nation's capital. >> duncan: good evening to our viewers in the west, and thank you for joining us on this friday. i'm jericka duncan in for norah. tonight, six years of donald trump's tax returns have been made public. thousands of pages of financial documents show staggering losses, questionable deductions, and very little paid in federal taxes. plus, southwest airlines flights are back on schedule following a week-long meltdown impacting tens of thousands of passengers. but first, a major break in that murder case of four university of idaho students. authorities arrested 28-year-old bryan christopher kohberger at his parents' home in pennsylvania. he is now facing four

>> reporter: yeah, the committee's interview with ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomasshe told the committee that she regretted texting with people in trump's white house after the election, and she claimed that her husband did not know that she was communicating with them. she did say that she hoped trump would challenge the election, and she talked about being there on january 6th on the mall for that rally. of course, many critics have said that given her communications with people in trump's white house, justice clarence thomas should have recused himself from trump-related cases. whit? >> maryalice parks with that late reporting out of washington, thank you. >>> next tonight, after a disastrous holiday travel meltdown, southwest airlines appears to be back on track. the airline's ceo apologizing and promising to reimburse frustrated passengers. and federal authorities are demanding that the airline make things right. abc's alex perez back on this tonight from chicago. >> reporter: tonight, southwest airlines' operational reset appears to be working. all but a few d

hem this was interesting because was a major development when the supreme court justice, clarence thomashe committee. what have you learned of the transcript of ginni thomas transcript yesterday? >> yes, the one thing that stood out to me with ginni thomas was when she mentioned to investigators that she was feeling down about the election and so she had had a conversation with her husband and justice clarence thomas and made her feel better about the circumstances of trump's feeble timeline leading up to january six and a curious point and she did not report any details of the conversation. again, while the suspects said, this is such a moment that you bring up to a committee and something you can't remember the actual details of the conversation of? i think it is important to note that it does not seem like, i mean, there is not any evidence to suggest that ginni thomas was actually involved in organizing january six rallies, people to storm the capital, and i think it is an important point because if she is an activist, a republican activists, and the chancellor of the committee told

and clarence thomas should thank y'all. michael, james, and sarah kate, thank you all very much. >>> next, why it is no surprise that mark meadows, a former and founding member of the tea party, became the critical nexus in the plot to overturn the election. the reidout continues after this. reidout continues after this (burkewell, here's something el: with your farmer's policy perk, new car replacement, you can get a new one. (customer) that is something else. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ hi! need new glasses? get more from your benefits at visionworks! how can you see me squinting? i can't! i'm just telling everyone! hey! use your vision benefits before they expire. visionworks. see the difference. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could d

you know that clarence thomas's wife was communicating with state officials in 2020, trying to get them to change the electoral college votes in their states, without the benefit of a supreme court opinion saying that they could regally do that. clarence thomas did not recuse himself from that pending case, and could end up writing the opinion that could be legalize what his wife was illegally trying to do. no reports of marjorie taylor greene parting with brett kavanaugh on friday night, but on saturday night, this is what she said about the january 6th attack on the capitol in which the attackers chanted, among other homicidal chants, hang mike pence. >> i've gotta tell you something. if bannon i had organized that, we would've won. [applause] not to mention, it would've been armed. >> that's the kind of stuff the people brett kavanaugh was partying with on friday night fully support. matt gates supports everywhere that marjorie taylor greene says. and a supreme court justice was parting with him, on saturday night. the supreme court will not be hearing an appeal from donald trump to

you know that clarence thomas's wife was communicating with state officials in 2020, trying to get them to change the electoral college votes in their states, without the benefit of a supreme court opinion. -- clarence thomas cannot recuse himself in that pending case. -- no reports of roger kelly green party with brett kavanaugh on friday night. and saturday, this is what she said about the january 6th attack on the capitol in which she attackers chanted among other homicidal chants, hang mike pence. >> that's the kind of stuff, the people brett kavanaugh was parting with an friday night, fully support. matt gates supports every word that marjorie taylor greene says. and supreme court justice was parting with him on saturday night. the supreme court will not be hearing an appeal from donald trump, to dismiss the trump legal challenge that the fbi's search of his florida residence so today judge elaine mercedes, cannon had to finally, under orders from 11th court of appeals, told her what she should, do on the very first day that donald trump's lawyers asked her to appoint a special mas

rudy giuliani, jared kushner, jason miller and ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas who attended a stop the steal rally. straight to cnn's senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid. paula, take us through what we've learned. >> reporter: well, amara, in this most recent batch a few bold-faced names but start with ginni thomas, someone not a household name but the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. now, she was asked about text messages she exchanged with then white house chief of staff mark meadows in the days and weeks following the election and what is so surprising here, amara, we're seeing in the transcript something we rarely see which is some remorse and regret. cnn has previously reported that the committee was in possession of about two dozen text messages that thomas who is a conservative activist exchanged with meadows where she was pleading with him to try to overturn the results of the election and followed up with him multiple times and when these text messages were revealed they raised a lot of questions about whether the wife of a justi

we also know, there is a suggestion that clarence thomas may be the only justice who would go along withir bid to take a lawsuit, directly, to the supreme court. i do not know whether it means he is corrupt, rather, it just means that he might be receptive to the legal theory. there is just enough smoke there that i, think they would want to look to see whether there is fire. >> quickly, barb, in terms of the amount of evidence we have here, and i will say, the trail of bread crumbs. the number of people saying, i don't recall, knowing what we know about what that response may mean. a number of people taking the fifth on basic questions -- will kind of table is set for the doj's, they continue their special counsel investigation who, with jack smith, is a tenacious prosecutor? what kind of table set with them, as they move forward on this investigation that is getting wrapped up by the house? >> it seems apparent, many of these witnesses will not be terribly cooperative. they showed up because they felt they had to, but we're not forthcoming, not being helpful. there's even a part of the

how many of those families are threatened by clarence thomas tonight?for marriage act? >> i'm feeling hopeful i'm feeling optimistic. my wife and i were in the senate gallery when the final vote happened. it is not just about the wedding party or celebration, it is about ensuring that no matter what the supreme court may do, if you are a same-sex or interracial married couple, ear or are going to have your marriage protected no matter what and that includes if you move across state lines. marriage is not about the ceremony, it is about the 1100 federal benefits that come with that marriage, so this is an important milestone and marker. we also know that we have got a lot of work to do, ahead. >> so overturning roe was unimaginable until it happened? so how are you preparing for the possibility that the supreme court could strike down -- which made marriage a constitutional right. >> clarence thomas has already said they is coming for marriage next, which is a reality that we are sitting what. it is why the marriage act are so important. i can say that e

in his concurring opinion, clarence thomas explicitcally called the court to reconsider the ruling in ogre ge fell while his -- obergefell while his -- we must take justice thomas at his word and the hateful movement behind him at their word. we must act now on a bipartisan, bicameral basis to combat bigoted extremism and uphold same-sex and interracial marriages. once side into law, the respect for marriage act will help prevent right-wing extremists from upending the lives of loving couples, traumatizing kids across the country, and turning back the clock on hard-work progress. this legislation takes several steps to uphold marriage equality under federal law. first, it tears the bigoted, unconstitutional defense of marriage act off the books for good. when that bill was passed, our colleagues understood it was not constitutional. why else would they have tried to strip the court -- strip the judicial review of defense of marriage act if they thought it could take the test of judicial review? today's vote will codify a legal reality already handed down by the supreme court and ensur

supreme court justice clarence thomas. what stood out to you from that interview transcript with ginni thomas? >> this is one of the transcripts we have really been waiting to see, because we were curious to see if we would get any additional information about those controversial text messages she exchanged with former white house chief of staff mark meadows in the days and weeks after the election. in addition to being the wife of a supreme court justice, mrs. thomas is also a conservative activist. as we've previously reported, she was texting meadows, urging him to try to overturn the results of the election. she was texting things like, the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. now, what's interesting is in this transcript, which he's pressed about these text messages by investigators, she displayed something we haven't seen a lot of in this investigation, which is remorse. she says, quote, i regret the tone and content of these texts. i really find my language imprudent and

court's problems wit conflicts of interest an corruption was ginni thomas, the wife of justice clarence thomas about who support fo donald trump, saying this in 2017 >> i am happy to be here but my husband told me that th president asked about me twice so, i'm wearing my trumpet button we need -- [applause] a, it's the time to be behin whoever is our president because there is a war for our country, and the things that w believe in going on. >> ginni thomas, she's lon been a conservative activist but she wasn't - about a war for the country. the january six committee got hold of text messages sent t donald trump's chief of staf mark meadows, urging matters t do what he could do to overtur trump's defeat keep him in power. clarence thomas then refused t recuse himself from multiple cases involving trump's very effort to remain in power, including some having to d with discovery that -- very texts somehow, the stories onl scratched the surface of the republican assault on the rule of law, one of the ongoing threats from donald trump an his allies, next aches, weakness and discomfort. try nervive

among the transcripts released today is an interview with ginni thomas, the wife of clarence thomas. did we learn. >> we have two rounds of transcripts but ginni thomas is one of the marquee names because of her husband. she was interviewed late in the committee's work and we had reported on texts between ginny thomas and mark meadows, the white house chief of staff where she was encouraging him to prop up donald trump and challenge the election and saying that the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. she offered a mia culpa for the remarks. she said i regret the tone an content of these texts, i find any language imprudent and my text unfortunate. she said i would take them all back if i could today. despite that, she didn't back away from her claims of election fraud. she still believed there was election fraud even though she hadn't seen any specific evidence of it but she still regretted those text messages. >> what else did we learn? >> the other interesting was tony ornato. we've been waiting for this interview for a long time. he was a top aide to donald trump

before the january 6th committee, and this includes ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomass from 2020 show thomas pleading with then-white house chief of staff mark meadows to challenge the election results. according to her testimony, thomas told the committee, quote, i can't say i was familiar at the time with any specific evidence. i was just hearing it from news reports and friends on the ground, grass roots activists who were inside of various polling places that found things suspicious. cnn political correspondent sara murray joins us now. so, sara, what more can you tell us about ginni thomas' testimony? >> it's been a wild friday with our team going over these transcripts. one of the big names, ginni thomas, wife of clarence thomas. she asked about the text messages she exchanged with mark meadows, encouraging trump to continue the election results. she does sound a little bit sorry about that. she says, i regret the tone and content of these texts. i find my language prudent and choice of sending the texts and emails unfortunate. she added, i would take them all ba

this doesn't look good for supreme court -- justice clarence thomas.le feared and here she's saying yes, when i say my best friend in code it means my husband. >> exactly. she's confirmed what everyone has feared and this really is much bigger than just a spouse confiding in her spouse. it goes to the deep structural flaws of the current supreme court. they are incapable of policing themselves. they're living in a bubble and they want to demand that nobody scrutinize them whatsoever. really, the breath of her commitment to installing trump believing there is fraud even when she admits in other places and transcript there is no evidence of that, it really indicates justice thomas should recuse himself from anything to do with the trump administration, any issues because his wife is so committed to trump being in power no matter what the facts are. >> margaret, speaking of which, yes, committed to her hunch, i suppose, without the facts or the evidence and she admits to that so here is another exchange and this is between congressman raskin and ginni tho

transcripts, this round with a key interview with ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomaswe had talked about text messages that ginni thomas exchanged with former white house chief of staff mark meadows where she encouraged meadows and former president donald trump to continue challenging the 2020 election results. in her interview with the january 6th select committee ginni thomas offered something of a mea culpa saying i regret the tone of the texts and i would take them back if i could. interestingly though, she stood by her claims of election fraud in her interview with the january 6th committee even though she didn't have specific evidence she could cite. there was another big-name interview released and that is a deputy white house chief of staff in the trump white house. he came up in cassidy hutchinson's bombshell testimony. chef recalled how irate president trump got when he was told he couldn't go to the capitol. he said he didn't recall what happened in the motorcade and he couldn't recall what happened on january 6th. he cited the fog of war when talking to the

we know too little about clarence thomas and ginni thomas' entanglements.oes it in the minimum way. he lists the business she runs, her private consulting business. we don't know her clients. he doesn't have to disclose the people that pay ginni thomas. that's how the influence campaigns get waged. it's too lax, reporting disclosure. the idea we would redact that goes too far. i think there's efforts to try to change this provision. we will see if they can do it in time. >> david, if you care about institutions -- there's no evidence that suggests that john roberts does not. in fact, the opposite. i remember when he was elevated to chief, it was in part because of his sort of humanity and the care with which he seemed to hold the institution. you look at -- i detected he felt great pride in being part of the historic decisions. like affirming obamacare. he now seems like a hostage of the far right wing of the court. >> yeah. hostage is a good word. you are right on roberts' leadership. he vaulted to become chief justice ahead of other possible picks. it was

who said right-wing activists ginni thomas was referring to her husband, supreme court justice clarence thomas what she mentioned talking to her best friend have now been vindicated, thomas in the interview transcript admits as much. how an earth can justice thomas continue to roll up any cases involving donald trump on the 2020 election? >> it is good to be a frightening extremist in the black robe and it is good to be the spouse of a white stream white wing extremist we can promote all these conspiracy theories, help all the individuals try to overturn our constitution, because there will be no accountability and nothing will happen to you. that is what we are seeing with janine and clarence thomas. >> thank you for your time this morning, we are going to see you again later in the show, don't go anywhere. still to come, former pope benedict, the first pontiff to retire in nearly 600 years has died at the age of 95, we will head to the vatican next. plus, more than six weeks after four college dunes were slain and idaho, and arrest is being made but the public is still desperate for more ans

now, ginni thomas, the wife of clarence thomas. she came in to talk to the committee. reason is because she sent several texts urging mark meadows to essentially, you know, do what he can to carry out the coup. she also contacted members in the states. so i'm just going to read this and i want to get your feedback on it. these are about the texts she's sending to mark meadows at the time. this is pretty short after the election. er the election >> of course i think we all knew this, but it does seem significant, to me at least, and i would like to get your thoughts on this, that the wife of a sitting supreme court justice, who will likely have to rule on all this, is conferring with him about the state of the election, her desire for a coup essentially to happen or for donald trump to be declared the winner, and her text messages for the chief of staff, does that strike you as significant? >> well, it did seem at odds with their other testimony, which said -- was that she and her husband have a strict policy of never discussing anything that is involved in their career

we have jenny thomas's political activism around th 2020 election, not to mentio her husband clarence thomas the key to crack pot legal strategy t delay and prevent presiden biden from taking office meanwhile, we have allegations about another leak surrounding justice samuel alito a former antiabortion activist claims that back in 2014, alit and his wife told conservative donor about the courts hobby lobby decision. that ruling allowed bosses t block their employees access t birth control. alito and his wife allegedly leaked the court's decisio before the actual ruling cam out to a donor at a dinner party. the donor denies the leak, alito has also denied th allegations. but as they say, the damage is already done to the court' credibility. so, my question, what else can we expect from this righ leaning court in 2023? well, we will dive into al this with mark joseph ster after a quick break. after a quick break. [baby yawning] let's get you home for the holidays. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ it's the subway series menu. 12 irresistible subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest r

and clarence thomas not being held to account for that. we have evidence that the court is taking positions that strike against -- judicial precedent, just completely rebuilding the ambit of our laws based on their reading of textualism of the constitution, but with no appreciation for the way that the constitution is a living breathing document affecting our lives. alito flipping quips in this 303 case is further evidence of the ways in which the this arch conservative alignment of justices has very little appreciation for the way that discrimination is affecting the daily lives of millions of americans. they have a public confidence problem. >> michelle, elena, do not go far we're gonna talk more later in this hour. up next, democratic congressman mondaire jones joins me to discuss the marriage act. that first, louis is here with the headlines >> the man suspected of making the bomb is in custody. authorities say sunday, panama flight one of three exploded over lockerbie on december 1988, killing all 259 people, including 189 u.s. citize

still to come after basically being dared by justice clarence thomas of the seven when i handed it.otecting same-sex marriage. congressman mondaire jones joins me on the struggle to get to this point and what comes next ahead. nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette. >> lately, republican politicians have been making a bold claim that they are no look at the party of corporate executives, tax cuts for the rich. it's the party of the working class. >> republicans have got to be the party of working people and working class culture, that's what we're fighting for. >> the heart and soul of the republican party, we are a working class party, we are a blue collar party, that's what we should've been, and that's what we are. >> the democratic party has abandoned the working class men and women, the million people out of jobs that are seeing their wages pulled down. >> we have people in charge of gover

the bill that has been addressed, does it at all do anything about, because clarence thomas was talking about addressing there are two married men or two married women and they are in a state that is overturned -- they overturned texas, is there anything in that bill that would take to two married people in a state that no longer recognizes that marriage? that doesn't perform that marriage but wants to reenact sodomy laws? guest: i think you are asking if a marriage performed in another state would be recognized in another state even if they don't legally perform marriages for same-sex couples or recognize them in general. the answer to that is yes. the respect for marriage act ensures in every state marriages that have happened legally are recognized and federally they are recognized. that is why this protection was so needed. host: this is jerry and mississippi live it for democrats. good morning. caller: when we educate ourselves in voting, voting is the key. we can get a lot of good things done, but we must get our people registered, get our people out to vote. thank you and god ble

includes the january 6th committee's interview with ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas about text messages that thomas exchanged with mark meadows who was the former white house chief of staff which encouraged meadows and donald trump to try to continue contesting the 2020 election results. she offered something of a maya culpa when she talked to the january 6th committee saying, quote, i regret the tone and content of these texts, i would take them all back if i could today. that said, she still stood by her belief that there was fraud in the 2020 election, seen though she couldn't cite any specific evidence. there was another big name that came out in the transcripts. that's with the interview of tony ornato, he served as deputy white house chief of staff in the trump white house. he came up in cassidy hutchinson testimony when she talked about how irate donald trump got when he was told he couldn't go to the capitol january 6. when tony ornato was asked about this, he said he couldn't recall donald trump's anger or what went down in the motorcade. there was a lot he

it didn't affect the the political but in the clarence thomas anita hill clash that that summer after palm beach he might as well have put a paper bag his head because he was totally a wall. and we needed him and i have had the the the authors of the two major books about the clarence thomas anita hill clashed tell me that if the ted kennedy that opposed robert bork a few years earlier had shown that summer, then clarence thomas not be on the united states supreme court, that's an example of how the personal overlaps into the political and and changes our lives. but anyway, the 1994 campaign through a series of mishaps, including palm beach, by the time he got to september running for reelection, he was in the polls. mitt romney was was ahead of him. and it was quite possible that that he could lose. but but the people of massachusetts of had this feeling that they needed to a two by four and give them a good thwack on the head rather than really defeat him because every time he began to lapse in the polls the support came back because. they wanted to learn a lesson, but they didn't n

remember when clarence thomas had those words in the dobbs decision, suggesting that the court's decisionsame-sex marriage, equality, and 2015 might be revisited? well, thanks clements thompson for whatever momentum that created for the respect for marriage act. which protects same-sex marriage, protects religious liberty, and also protects marriage for people for other races just like clarence thomas has. that might not have happened that, way and this is what the founders intended. which was is the supreme court overreaches which it might because the supreme court was one third appointed by donald trump, 6 to 3 conservative majority. congress then comes in and passes the respect for marriage act to make sure that that kind of power is checked. look how far we have come. 1996, blow clinton opposed same sex marriage. he had to do it in a republican here for political reasons. 2004, george w. bush said that marriage between a man and a woman was a fundamental institution of the human race. that helped him to get reelected in 2004, but was very brutal to many people in our society. look how