. >> clarence thomas, he's conservative, an outspoken cric of affirmative action, former head of the ee judge, judge thomas now with the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> narrator: just a few years after his failed run fopresident, joe biden was again in the spotlight, overseeing a high-profile supreme court confirmation hearing. >> there's chairman joseph biden, and i think he's just about ready to get the proceedings underway. (gavel bangs) >> the hearing will come to order. good morning, judge. welcome to the blinding lights. >> for biden, the clarence thomas hearings were a chance to shine. it was the national stage, national television, and he was the face of the senate. and so, as an institutionalist, biden sees this as a moment for him and the senate to show how america can work best. >> heck, you are six, seven years younger than-- i'm 48. how old are you, judge? forty-two, -three? >> well, i've aged over the last ten weeks, but, uh... (all laughing) i'm 43. >> 43 years old! because of your youth, judge... >> narrator: but before long, biden had a crisis on his hands. th

it was an 8-1 decision, and the one dissenter was justice clarence thomas who, of course, was the author of the bruen decision in 2022. but his views did not -- did not even come close to carrying the day in the rahimi case. >> mark sherman reports on the supreme court for the a

recent reports also have documented lavish travel by justices clarence thomas and samuel alito allegedlydime of benefactors with interests before the court, along with the political activity of their wives, ginni thomas and martha and alito. >liz>well, republicans like house speaker mike johnson called the president's proposals dangerous and said they have no hope in a gop controlled congress former president trump also slamming those proposals. the supreme court, which has a 6 to 3 conservative majority, issued a series of landmark decisions over the past few years that have upended long standing rulings on things like abortion, affirmative action and higher education, and federal regulatory power. cbs news legal contributor jessica levinson looks at how that is likely fueling president biden's proposal for reform >>>>the crux is to try and reform the supreme court. frankly, in the face of its unpopularity among democrats and liberals. and the idea is to try and lessen the power of any single president to pick who's on the court. i mean, it is not a secret that president trump picked a

. >>> justice clarence thomas is accused of failing to disclose more private flights, and the ex-deputyis side of the story. those are some of the headlines on the morning newsstand. >>> the "associated press" reports the former illinois sheriff's deputy who shot sonya massey last month says he thought she was going to kill him. the police report filed three days after the shooting, sean grayson said when massey said i rebuke you in the name of jesus and ducked behind the counter, he feared she was going to grab a weapon. grayson and another deputy responded to massey's home after she called 911 to report a possible prowler. grayson was fired and charged with murder. he has pleaded not guilty. >>> "the new york times" reports a top democratic senator says supreme court justice clarence thomas failed to disclose more private travel on republican mega donor harlan crow's private jet. oregon senator ron wyden sent a letter to crow's lawyer more questions about the 2024 trip from hawaii to new zealand. the letter is part of an ongoing inquiry between crow and justice thomas. a spokesman for

he gave us clarence thomas. if you live in a democracy, where the candidate with the most votes wins, there would be no other republican justice currently serving. clarence thomas would be the only one. the current composition of the supreme court stands, in my view, as a stain on america's claim to the world. that it is a democracy. and no other democracy in the 21st century with seven out of 50 states decide presidential elections through an electoral contrive roles, created in a slaveholding country 235 years ago. contrivance they tried to make sound serious by calling it a college. the electoral college. the electoral college gave us this supreme court, not voters. the supreme court has given donald trump his immunity which in jack's misinterpretation, still allows donald trump to be charged with all of the crimes he committed while president that were not committed in his official capacity as president. the indictment stresses, donald trump and his co-conspirators, were acting in a private capacity. in the

these are the people that have clarence thomas' ear. convincing him to mangle the plain text of this law and the original meaning. we want this to be brought, we want to encompass tools, and clarence thomas says, i'm going to trust the anti-gun loonies. they say atf experts don't know how machine guns work, but we do. >> this is the exact example of, it doesn't matter what the law says. >> it literally doesn't matter. this was a statutory case. not a constitutional case. so he could not even pull his originalism but interpret it how he wants. >> we are going to turn to former president trump's immunity in cases. we are going to do this quickly. and follow these fabulous journalists. yes, please. it takes considerable courage, diligence, integrity to do the reporting and be on the ground. one quick note, as we transition, thinking about bruin and dobbs, bruin was released the day before dobbs. justice thomas wrote the opinion and bruin -- in bruin. it returned a more than centuries-old new york gun control law. he said it was important t

no other federal judge could get by with what clarence thomas did to receive millions of dollars worthel and gifts and not report them publicly. i don't accept that as routine. i think it is an aberration and reflects poorly on the court and its integrity. it is time for change. president biden is saying that to today. i'll study his detailed suggestion, but i certainly agree with him that the nine people serving on the u.s. supreme court should not be treated differently than any other federal judges when it comes to transparency and accountability for their ac actions. if the court is going to have any credibility when it comes to its integrity, it must reflect that in its actions. receiving and failing to report gifts of that magnitude is an embarrassment to the whole nation. the republicans should get on board a bipartisan effort. we passed an ethics bill in the senate judiciary committee. it was authored by senator whitehouse of rhode island. it's pending on the calendar. it should be called this year, sooner the better. an ethics code on the supreme court that applies the same st

caller: i have a comment about the person that called about clarence thomas and why did he take that money. if clarence tom got a reparation maybe he wouldn't take the money but deep down inside he took like most black people do the country worked us half to death paid our slave masters but didn't see the benefit of paying the people who did the work. the question is when do they pay people that did the work? you can call it reparation or whatever you want. abraham lincoln, what he did he did by executive order. andrew jackson did by executive order. biden right now can give an executive order and have a system where he can pay people of color that are plaque people that worked for the country for nothing. it is about time to pay the debt. how long is it going to pay black people, you pay everybody else but when it comes to black people when are we going to get paid. host: anything you want to add? guest: i want to address a term and that is federalism. so while you are right a president can list an executive order it lies in the enforcement so lincoln had an executive order that was

for life with pets, there's chewy with everything. >>> if supreme court justice clarence thomas had a a wealthy conservative donor, who knows? maybe thomas would be able to afford his own private jet. another nickel in the jar today after senate finance committee chairman ron wyden sent a letter to lawyers for billionaire harlan crow citing customs and border protection records. wyden revealed this. justice thomas and his wife, ginni thomas, flew from hawaii to new zealand and back a week later on crow's private jet back in november 2010. from wyden's letter, "i am deeply concerned that mr. crow may have been showering a public official with extravagant gifts, then writing off those gifts to lower his tax bill. as i consider legislative solutions to curb potentially abusive deductions, i am offering you one final opportunity to address the tax treatment of yacht and jet trips involving justice thomas." while justice clarence thomas has not yet issued a response, a statement from harlan crow suggested the inquiry was politically motivated and that crow has always followed applicable ta

, a clarence thomas clone.simply cannot endure that fate. >> i think we heard what it's like to be on the other end of a phone call from lindy asking for money. thank you so much. matthew dowd, i think you're going to stick around and talk to us a little bit more. in 90 seconds, cameras are turning away from the dnc and zeroing back in on the battlegrounds. can donald trump seize the moment back from kamala harris with his focus today in two swing states? swing states here's to be ating to every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! getting older is part of the journey, even with worsening heart failure. so when i had carpal tunnel syndrome, lower back pain, and shortness of breath, i thought that's what getting older felt like. thank goodness... ...i called my cardiologist. i have attr-cm, a rare but serious disease... ...and getting diagnosed early... ...made a difference. if you have any of these

and the justices, even take the justices they are attacking most, clarence thomas because he is the most conservative on the court. i don't think anybody who knows justice thomas at all would think that anybody would influence justice thomas to do anything but what he thinks is right. host: one about, and this is forms.com, thomas never repaid a substantial portion of the $237,000 loan from a wealthy friend. thomas attended at least two donor summits for the network, rising political organization and participated in a dinner with high-level donors without disclosing his appearance. the pro-public up also reported he cultivated a relationship with the brothers with repeated trips to the bohemian globe, a private retreat for wealthy men. and they reported that during his tenure on the supreme court, he has accepted gifts including 38 destination vacations, 26 private jet flights, vip sports events, and a standing invitation for a private golf club. you said other justices have done the same. what have they done? guest: you got justice sotomayor who when she has gone to speak had people ask

i have a question about what you think about clarence thomas taking $4 million worth of bribes as a supreme court justice? doesn't he hurt the black community in general because he is such an awful representative and is taking reparations on his own? i heard an earlier caller talk about renn rations. he is doing it by himself. what do you think about him? guest: i would say that i wouldn't call that reparations. reparations has such a unique history. it is connected to struggle, connected to demand from communities that want to be sure we are keeping those things separate. what is critical is for people to think of integrity, to think about ethics and what they demand of the people who represent them. whether they are elected or appointed. what are the guard rails we have in place? there are people in every community of every background of every stripe who engage in behavior that i think is inappropriate or unbecoming. what we have to resist and i remember one of the initial tweets or comments was about the race card. that can go both ways. when we think about where we are in the current mo

justice clarence thomas failed to disclose more trips in 2010. that's according to a letter from senator wyden. the oregon democrat wrote, i am deeply concerned that mr. crow was giving him expensive gifts. the letter is part of an inquiry into the relationship. a spokes man said the inquiries have no legal basis and more results and a few spoilers. on the last day of gymnastics, similar own biles -- simone secured a silver medal and boasted c hmp iles. the american gymnast bowed to andrade on what biles was noted was an all-black podium. the river seine was deemed safe to swim in. looking at the medal count. 78 medals overall. still to come on the "newshour," anti-immigrant protestors wreak havoc in england. the democratic advise presidential pick. hamas has been and efforts to support athletes with children. >> this is pbs "newshour" from studios in washington and walter cronkite. >> hurricane debby barreled with category one winds. now a tropical storm, it is moving inland and expected to hit georgia and the carolinas later this week. if gust

supreme court justice clarence thomas and his wife were given a private trip to hawaii and new zealandrting he is looking for additional information about the relationship between thomas and harlan crow. he says he was following ethics advice at the time and points to a previous statement. the white house statement out tonight states that the supreme court is mired in a crisis of ethics. it says the report strengthens the president's case for common sense reforms. neil gore such says the controversial decision to grant donald trump immunity for some official actions is actually just a reaffirmation of a decision from decades ago. justice course which spoke to sandra smith. >> some major decisions came down. i wonder if any message you can share with us on the nature of the court handling, something like that. >> it is the first time one presidential -- against and -- had to look at what was available to us. even a president can be prosecuted for speeding. his private conduct, he is like everyone else. what happens when he leaves office? there is nixon versus versus fitzgerald in which

missouri attorney general suing new york to try to block gag order sentencing of former president clarence thomasawsuit directly with supreme court but did not grant relief seeking. >> scheduled for july but delayed until september the earliest, boeing in hot seat national transportation transportation safety board two days of hearings on investigation into boeing 737 max store plug blowout in january pm. a left mid exit door plug blew off alaska airlines flight after deporting portland international airport traveling to california but after door plug blew off caused rapidly decompression forcing the crews to make merge landing in portland unite minor injuries reported boeing faa executives set to testify during two day investigative hearing, paris olympic games christians ton tall falkner took gold was this third plays before winning by nearly a full minute, biles seems shining here she is yesterday posing with all four medals during olympics including three golds, bounced back to capture silver in floor reign gymnast rebecca earning gold we got this iconic picture of biles and teammate bowing d

really occult against clarence thomas it is constant it's against alito because of the dobbs decisionhrow in. now the attacks on judge cannon are you concerned about this? this rage that will go on and so forth. >> is very concerned thank you for having me on you one of the great defenders of free speech her whole career. and so it is a real pleasure to discuss the book with you. but yes the book talks about this. i am not as concerned about the supreme court. it was designed for this moment. the framers created protections for the court to withstand these moments. it says more about the present when president biden announced he would support quote limits on the supreme court. it really is one of those moments that is chilling for everyone. it is like when an animal gets its paw caught in a trap and nods it off. >> today i'm calling for three bold reforms to restore trust and accountability to the court in our democracy. [applause] first i'm calling for a constitutional amendment no one is above the law amendment. [applause] and i mean this sincerely holds no immunity for crimes forme

his career, until roe v wade was overturned ignoring 50 years of precedent and samuel alito and clarence thomaseral scandals. the court gave presidents almost unlimited immunity from criminal prosecution. now a lame-duck president preparing to leave, biden is calling for a three-pronged approach to fixing the court. first, he proposed a no one is above the law amendment that would quote, make clear there is no immunity for crimes a former president committed while in office. second, he argues for 18 year term limits. third, he is calling on congress to pass a binding code of conduct. joining me now is melanie stansbury of new mexico. congresswoman, thank you so much. let's start with your response to these reforms. you along with a lot of democratic lawmakers introduced legislation to investigate allegations of misconduct. what you make of the fact that biden is seemingly in your corner and now the totality of these approaches? >> thank you so much for having me on. we have never seen a supreme court like right now. there have been courts in the past that have been activist but we have never se

restore public trust in the supreme court comes after reports that justices samuel alito and clarence thomas private jets from friends without reporting it in this week democratic senator ron wyden revealed that justice thomas had gone on even more trips on conservative donor harlan crow's private jet, travel he had not previously disclosed. joining us now, melissa murray, professor of law at new york university. she is also an msnbc legal analyst and the other co-author of the new york times best seller, "the trump indictments." great to see you. look at this new poll of americans who supported code of ethics for supreme court justices. 70% of republicans, 89% of democrats, 75% of independent support biden's proposal. does that increase the pressure on congress to act on it, and also, the no i don't support that, is it possible to defend? >> it certainly seems that supreme court reform is the hot new club. it has everything, emotional billionaires, court reform, term limits and people are really in support of it and the reforms that president biden proposed are actually quite modest. he sai

wade in a concurring opinion, justice clarence thomas signaled he was open to reconsidering other rulingsalizing of same sex marriage nationwide. we live in a country where the republican ticket running for the white house has in the project 2025 agenda plans to undermine same sex married couples, dismantle services for lgbtq americans, and flat-out deny the existence of transgender people. just literally pretend they don't exist. on the other side of the aisle, you have a sitting president who came out in support of same sex marriage before barack obama did. and the harris walz ticket promises to continue pushing the nation in that same direction. the hope that is creating is palpable. a few days ago, our next guest, the renown drag queen posted a photo with these words saying i drove past a huge american flag flapping in the wind. i was surprised when i felt tears in my eyes. tears of relief. it was the first time in a long time i didn't feel alienated by that image. i felt real hope and real pride. this team has provided that feeling. please register to vote. i think we have a real fig

today, we learned justice clarence thomas failed to disclose even more private flight provided by conservativearlan crow. detailed in the letter how the judiciary committee obtained flight records showing the back in november, 2010, justice thomas and his wife live from hawaii to new zealand on his private jet before flying back to hawaii on the jet a week later. the letter goes on, he is a passenger in these flights. today, justice thomas has never disclosed his private jet travel on any disclosure forms even though justice thomas has amended disclosures to reflect other international travel on mr. crowe's private jet. if you recall, propublica express a 2019, stroked intonation several others provided by harlan crow. the outcry resulting from that prompted thomas to formally disclose the strips and financial filing submitted this year. that begs the question, why did he feel to disclose the trip over a decade ago? maybe because he thought he could get away with it? what might be helpful is a code of ethics with teeth like the one president biden proposed last week. on the plane, here is what

can thomas was writing his -- clarence thomas was writing his one-man dissents for years that are nowhe law of the land. there is a broad audience than people just literally on the court with you, because folks are watching and listening. >> why aren't the ladies pushing back on the method? the most surprising justice is barrett, who occasionally had a moment of common sense. she did, sort of, today. part of it is what you are writing about in your book, which is that i've been told over and over again by libbers, we don't care about that, we care about the substance. this is true of the acs, which i revere, and all that stuff. we are not fighting the game that the federalist society has fought. you have a choice between the rules on the substance, always pick the rules and you will always win. there has to be a united effort to fight back on the rules and get activist judges -- they diversify the background, but they have not gotten the warriors in the courts that are fighting against racial segregation -- they don't have those people in the courts. that is something that takes a lot

does clarence thomas respect me? does he have anything to do with me? why wouldn't i want to learn day >> there you go, well said. d.l. hughley my friend, thank you very much. i appreciate you. it has been a long time coming. i'm going to make sure i get it to you. i promise i will get it to you. i'm not like trump, i'm really going to deliver. i'm really going to deliver. appreciate you. thank you very much. i appreciate you and that is tonight's readout, but before we go make sure to scan the qr code on your screen to buy tickets

tomorrow, the winner of the presidential election would effectively be able to replace justice clarence thomas25. and chief justice john roberts in 2027. joining us now is mike davis, former gorsuch law clerk and president of the article iii project as well as charlie hurt, fox news contributor and "washington times" opinion editor. all right. mike, replacing sam alito would some shortly after that. how does any of this make the court independent? >> so let's get this straight. biden and kamala try to bankrupt trump. they try to throw him in prison for the rest of his life. they are still trying to do that with this jack smith superseding indictment. they tried to throw him off the ballot and when the supreme court got in their way, now they want to destroy the supreme court. this is clearly unconstitutional. we -- lifetime tenure and pay protection is guaranteed in the constitution. because we want federal judges who don't have to fear for their next job. we want federal judges who are independent and they only have to follow the law. >> judge jeanine: well, the amazing part of this is, i mea

liz: justice clarence thomas of the supreme court and judge cannon said his whole office is unlawfuland congress ever signed off on and when you look at your internal polling inside the tram 7 campaign and what are voters saying about all? >> so far i think we've seen the history of these sorts of thins actually go to favor donald trump. this one man being attacked for indictments and mug shot and assassination and people start to look at it and say if you have government people maybe want to join them and going to poll on this exact thing and it just happened and i believe that's the next round of polling and i believe the fact that you have kamala harris on the other side who has yet to sit down for an interview has to have, you know, a safe space and her running mate to be with her for any sort of a sit down interview coming up is going to reflect very poorly on her. what do people care about in this country is the economy, it our southern border and crime through the roof. our standing on the world stage, and they know who can deliver that for them, who did it the first four year

talk that he could potentially have two supreme court justices to nominate, that you could see clarence thomasep down and allow him to nominate two people that are much younger and will hold those rules for much longer. do these activists have judges in mind? do they have people that they would want to see nominated to the supreme court? >> well, one of the most effective things that they were able to do the first time around in 2016 during donald trump's campaign was to put in place lists of judges they would want to see, and now, you know, that was such a surprise back then when he actually won, but they're able to make these lists now and plan ahead, or they can be ready to go. >> elizabeth dias, thank you very much, and thank you for bringing your reporting. i appreciate it. we all appreciate it. >>> coming up, a new round of intense cease fire negotiations are underway in doha today. what we can expect out of those meetings. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor yo

grandpa listening -- [booing] and grandpa listening to you talk about your gender studies major, clarence thomasst year, the independent investigative journalists over at propublica reported that thomas had accepted two undisclosed luxury trips from texas billionaire and hitler napkin collector harlan crow. the trips, one to indonesia and the other to the bohemian grove, an all-male retreat in northern california. when the reports first came out thomas' lawyer issued a statement calling them untrue. okay, but counterpoint: true. [laughter] because last week -- last week. this just came out. last week, thomas amended his 2019 disclosure form, acknowledging he should have disclosed those free trips from his billionaire donor, claiming he "inadvertently omitted" the trips on his previous reports. hey, no, no, no, no. it wasn't a lie, it was an inadvertent omission. oopsy daisy, i guess there's egg on my face, because when i was at bohemian, grove i ate the world's last dodo egg at the omelette bar. and then drank a mimosa out of geronimo's skull. this grift is not an outlier for thomas. all the gif

clarence thomas is in an interracial relationship. there are so many conservatives who are raising black children, mixed race children, adopted children of color married to non-white people. this is no common among republicans now. it's so non odd that it is strange to me that they think this won't turn off white voters who are going to look in their own families and say wait a minute, my grand kids are biracial. they look like barack obama. why are you questioning the race of these people? they're going to look at their own grand kids and go what? >> yeah. look. the words of donald trump are racist and disgusting and they need to be called out for being that. whether you're a republican, democrat, or independent. it's shameful to see him hem and hawe over it. donald trump believes the culture war in the united states, over the status and placement and prestige of white america is enough to get him back to the white house and it matches perfectly apparently with donald trump's own ethos and i think we have to talk about it for the rac

the billionaire who lavishes gift on clarence thomas for decades. many not reported.he gave the swift boat group $100,000. what's to stop them from doing this again? he's not just a trump campaign aide he also became the de facto coo of the republican national committee which gives them control over the campaign spending. jonathan allen the senior national politics reporter for nbc news has been covering this information. jonathan, everything that you've seen is old is new again. some things you just do and do and do, right? >> certainly from lacivita's standpoint and publicans who remember 2004, they felt that these ads were effective in undermining a key part of john kerry's biography. he was a decorated war hero. someone who is in charge of boats, 50 foot aluminum boats. traversing waterways he was awarded a server silverstar endo bronze star. i think there's a number of trump supporters at this point who aren't in favor of these kinds of interventions that we saw in vietnam but basically they went and attacked john kerry and from their perspective it works to unde

attempt to restore public trust in the supreme court comes after reports that justices alito and clarence thomasng trips on private jets from friends without reporting it. and this week, democratic senator wyden revealed that justice thomas had gone on even more trips on a conservative donors private jet. joining us now, a summary professor of law at new york university melissa, great to see you. look at this new poll, of americans support a binding code of ethics for the justices. you see across political lines, 70% of republicans, 89% of democrats support the proposal. is that increase the pressure on congress to act on it? >> it seems jonathan, the supreme court reform is the hot new club, it has everything, term limits, billionaires, and people are in support of it and to be clear, the reforms that biden proposed are actually quite modest, he says nothing about packing the court, adding more justices, something that many on the left have advocated to rebalance the court. he put forth the most modest solution so a binding code of ethics which is something that judges throughout the world and

harlan crow, the billionaire who has been lavishing freebies on clarence thomas. same old playbook, same old guys. >> i'm not shocked. right? none of this is shocking to me. but joy, i think it's also -- we were in a very, very different time. we're in a country that was tired of 20 years of war and occupation. we're in a country that if you look at the last several presidential candidates, they haven't been people with particularly stellar military careers whether it was biden or trump or hillary. people don't care about this stuff the way they used to. so no matter how much you want to attack tim walz, he looks like captain kangaroo mixed with the coach from friday night lights. you're not going to convince me that he's some stolen valor guy when your attack dog is jd vance, who we can't tell what he's ever done or what he ever believes in. that's another example of the trump campaign not really having a message, they're not offering an alternative. you can't tell america that minnesota is a hellscape. it's one of the nicest states to live in. you can't convince

andrew bailey and block the gag order and sensing the former president, supreme court justices clarence thomasit directly with the supreme court but could not grant the emergency relief bailey was seeking, trump sentencing was initially scheduled for july but is been delayed until september at the earliest, missouri senator josh hawley revealing new missile under whistleblower claims about secret service related to the assassination attempt against former president trump, watch. >> whistleblowers tell me that ids were not checked allow individuals into secure areas, nobody knew who they were, by the way it was a lead side agents job to make sure the line of sight from where trump was clear the agents could see all angles and she did not do that. also writing this on x, whistleblowers says they get security at the trump rally if you could even call it that was a total free-for-all, people need to be fired the senator says secret service are unhappy with how the agency is handling the investigation following the assassination attempt and many are scared to death that it could happen again. the l

does clarence thomas respect me? does he have anything to do with me? instead of being angry, instead of being against you, why wouldn't i want to learn from you? if i learn how to stand and walk, why wouldn't i want to learn day >> there you go, well said. d.l. hughley my friend, thank you very much. i appreciate you. it has been a long time coming. i'm going to make sure i get it to you. i promise i will get it to you. i'm not like trump, i'm really going to deliver. i'm really going to deliver. appreciate you. thank you very much. i appreciate you and that is tonight's readout, but before we go make sure to scan the qr code on your screen to buy tickets to msnbc life, democracy 2024, our premier fan event saturday, september 7 in brooklyn, new york. you do not want to miss it. then you will win the week. see how that works? "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >>> tonight on "all in" -- >> never let anyone tell you who you are. you show them who you are. >> big energy in chicago. >> i accept your nomination to be president of the united states. >> a

he'd put more on, younger versions of clarence thomas and alito, who would retire immediately upon his becoming president. so now, the media is taking absolutely seriously the idea that he is proposing to help women get ivf for free. your thoughts? >> well, it is interesting. we've seen donald trump has decided he is in favor of socialized medicine when it comes to all of this. but i'm really glad you played that 2016 clip with chris matthews. because that's kind of a classic moment where it was obvious that donald trump had not given five seconds worth of thought to the issue. i mean, this is a huge thing for the evangelical base. >> yes. >> now, they're coping with the fact that he's throwing them under the bus, that, you know, the most pro-life president ever has decided that, what? now he's, you know, pro-choice? next week, is he going to come out in favor of taxpayer funding for abortions? what will they say then? >> charlie, if he thinks it's keep him out of prison, yes. yes, he will. >> he will say anything. to molly's point, he wants to have it both ways. but this is what's int

of course clarence thomas and samuel alito wanted the supreme court to hear a claim by the republicanhat would allow the state of missouri to interfere with and stop in effect the criminal case against donald trump in manhattan or donald trump now awaits sentencing in that case for the 34 guilty verdicts a jury returned against defendant trump. the rest of the republicans on the supreme court apparently feel they've done enough for donald trump already. this time, they took the position 7-2 that missouri's republican attorney general has absolutely no constitutional grounds to interfere with the criminal conviction of donald trump in manhattan. donald trump will report to the courthouse in manhattan on september 18th when he and the world will discover what his first criminal sentence will be. the chance of more criminal sentences to follow looks evermore likely as kamala harris climbs in the polls and is setting new fundraising records. when kamala harris wins the presidential election in november donald trump will not be able to escape the other prayer -- including the case in which

it also in their own self-interest, because i think everyone understands that samuel alito and clarence thomasl retire immediately upon the inauguration of another republican president. if trump comes in, they go out, and allowing the heritage foundation, the same group let's put all six of them on the bench, to put 230 or 40- year-old versions of them on the bench. we kind of know who they are. they are some judges who made insane rulings to the far right and we know that is what's going to happen. you have just john roberts, who was sort of portrayed as this sort of moderate, normal person, but it's clear that he's down with that. he wants that. >> so you know, look, to andrew's point and to your point, the system, the judicial system has failed and i do say judicial. the civil side actually did work when it came to donald trump. not only is it the criminal portal but also the supreme court by not holding to the constitution, not just norms but presidents. they butchered the precedents in their opinion on immunity and they butchered them over and over and over again whenever it comes to the

also, i figured if i do it in d.c., clarence thomas might come through. [ laughter ] i offered him some less than a vacation house. >> anthony: will you be wearing your civil war jordans when you go there? >> i might, i just might. [ laughter ] >> anthony: give it up for roy wood jr. [ cheers and applause ] you can see roy live on his new stand-up tour, "one night only: over the course of multiple nights," klegg september 7th in washington, d.c. tickets are available now at roywoodjr.com. we'll be right back with the decemberists. you can pick up the tab even when you forget your wallet. (kaz) i got this. (ben) fargo, send kaz $145 dollars with zelle®. (kaz) smooth. (vo) want faster, easier banking? you can, with wells fargo. what else can fargo do? (woman) oh, come on! come on! (vo) fargo lets you do this: (woman) fargo, turn off my debit card! i found it! i found my card! (vo) and also, this: (woman) fargo, turn on my debit card! (vo) do you fargo? you can, with wells fargo. >> anthony: that is all the time we have. thanks to howie mandel and roy wood jr. "nightline" is next but first

she's citing justice clarence thomas his opinion on the trump immunity case.smith's appointment as unlawful. he has no lawful standing or authority to do this. >> yeah, and you know, it's true that other special counsels have operated with some legitimate authority. mueller, durham, but all of them had one thing in common. they were presidentially appointed. senate approved to prior positions. that satisfies the constitution. jack smith doesn't qualify. liz: maybe it's time to clean it all up, greg, and stop the appointments of special counsel to attack political opponents and ri rivals. greg jarrett, thank you so much. >> what did they think about harris? did they have anything to say about her? >> they did. listen, it depends on where you are. for the most part, in pittsburgh or the jersey shore in atlantic city, in ohio especially, many people did not know who she was, right? they weren't familiar with her so i think she has to reintroduce herself to the public but for him, i think that they thought he's better for the economy, and that again, that he gave

one was justice clarence thomas concurrence in that immunity opinion, and the other was judge cannon's dismissal of the classified documents espionage case. what does that tell you, then, about what trump is trying to do when it comes to getting immunity decided later, and special counsel jack smith appointment decided first? >> well, to any attorney who cares about and understands the rules when it comes to briefing of the case, there is a real problem when there is a controlling supreme court precedent. the nixon case from 1974, which said of course special counsel is not only lawful, but richard nixon has to comply with the subpoena to turn over the tapes. courtesy of the subpoena issued by that lawfully appointed special prosecutor. and when a defense attorney refuses, declines to put that kind of controlling, contrary authority in a brief, that is not going to win him any points with judge chutkan or any other judge. but it is clear what they are trying to do. they want to try to stack all of these other motions on the calendar before they ever get to the crimes donald trump commi

there are two justices on this court, clarence thomas and samuel alito. their septuagenarian's. that they want to retire at some point. obviously they would prefer to retire under a trump presidency and if they do retire under a trump presidency, they will be replaced by younger conservatives in this conservative super majority we've been doing -- dealing with will last for another generation and a half and there is no telling what kind of work they could do under those conditions so the court is on the ballot in this election cycle even if it means that we are not necessarily talking about reform but simply staying the course right now and keeping this from getting worse. >> as always, thank you for being with us, melissa murray. >>> coming up, donald trump will do anything to get people to stop talking about project 2025. he is now peddling tax policy in all caps with zero specifics and there's definitely something weird about the waitress story he's been telling. we will do that fact check next. we will do that fact check next. after careful review of medical guidance and res

packing by another name in terms of getting rid of the longest serving justices who happen to be clarence thomasbecause every presidential term under the plan gets two justices, so until some of these current ones rotate off, is the court or going to grow and then shrink again? it's unclear. again, term limits going forward would increase confidence in the court. but in addition to what i just said, it would also take a constitutional amendment. i think it's too cute to say you can do it through legislation. paul: all right. so the other, another plank of this is an enforceable ethics code. of course, the supreme court has an ethics code that it enforces itself as a third branch of government. when they say enforceable, there's a lot -- not a lot of detail there as well from the president. the senate has passed a bill out of committee that would put lower court judges in, a panel of them to rule on justices' ethics. what do you make of that? >> well, again, ethics sounds good. who could be against ethics? judges being ethical, not being corrupt, that's all a -- that's great. but when you get to

i have yet to hear a republican senator successfully defend clarence thomas.'t even try anymore. as long as they can get decisions from the court from a political point of view, they will not even touch ethics. the american people on a bipartisan basis completely disagree with that position. geoff: the congresswoman introduced -- against the justices. is that something you support? sen. durbin: i don't see any point in doing that, to be honest with you. i know she is a stress and frustration with the court and i share the frustration but that's two things that are meaningful and possible. geoff: what about the senate proposals that president biden introduced? term limits for justices, a binding code of ethics, a constitutional amendment overturning the court's decision allowing sitting presidents to violate criminal law. sen. durbin: focus on ethics. the other two require a 60 vote majority as well as constitutional vision, some people believe. when it comes to ethics, we can do that by stature. we should do it on a bipartisan basis. there is no excuse and no