i mean, he wanted to be sure it was done the right way, so he sent clark clifford to see me and clark clifford was nervous, he persuaded me to not do it. and he said you just can't touch the white house. he said it's so strange everyone, america feels so strangely about it and look at the truman balcony, it will just be like that. and i said it won't be like that. so as it went along bit by bit and how you set up the committee and certain legal things and clark was good good setting up the guide book. once jack saw it going along with good council, he was so excited about it. >> was there criticism of the things that punish did in the white house? >> never, no, the most pin credible interest. and then the tours would start going. and every night he would come home saying we had more people today, this would be after you had found the monroe table or something. then the eisenhowers had in their first two years, the guide book was selling, and we were teasing mcnally about it, he was so proud. i was so happy that i could do something that would make him proud of me. because i'll tell yo