then there was another guy from brooklyn, clark kent, we started doing demos and i woulded come back maybe rhyme at a party and then i would go again for another year and a half, so i was, like, hustling, i started from trenton, then i went to maryland, then i went to virginia, i was going further and further south and further and further away from that dream, and as -- you know, i was being more sucssful, rap at that time wasn't in the place that it is now as far as artists becoming businessmen or getting paid. what happened, most times, is we would pull up in mercedes and lexuses and all these big cars and these rappers would pull up in a turtletop, maybe 12 of them in there -- >> charlie: you were looking at the mercedes and the turtletop and say "i'll hustle more"? >> yeah, prolonged it for a long time because it was -- it was like -- you know, these guys -- it was sad, in a way -- these guys were working so hard and they're missing their families and they're away from their families and they're working hard and they're performing on stage and at the end of the day some other per