who was the former congressman who replaced mitchell as the campaign manager for nixon and clark macgregor told us that nixon and mitchell had a meeting a few days after watergate in the residence of the white house. and all macgregor was able to say from what he learned from mitchell was taken of all laid their cards on the table. and each learn about things they didn't know about. and if you really look at it, if that's true, macgregor is deceased now and you get from mitchell is gone, nixon is gone. but if you look at that point, there is a time in your tapes, it shows which is kind of go full blast with the cover-up. they are going to cover. now, you say the 1970 houston plan didn't concern nixon but i think it did and -- >> guest: he approved it. >> host: but this may 23 tape, and i really thought this was interesting because this houston plan is clearly illegal. everyone knows it's illegal. and nic sims approved it, and on this tape nixon says i ordered that the use any means necessary, including illegal means. nixon is telling this to his chief of staff at the time, al haig -- >> gu