classen, you say that reparations are a gimmick.lain. >> today, there are people who went through a lot. he is talking about college. will the 90-year-old go to college? will someone -- the reality is we have had reparations since the 1960s. $20 billion has been spent on the government program to help minorities. where is that money? where are we today? we keep talking about reparation as if the people who are responsible for what happened 200 years ago are still alive. bibblically speaking, you shouldn't hold those responsible if the sin of their parents. jim crow was nasty but the reality didn't break black america. government program broke black america, giving them money. right now they know they are in trouble. the white house is insensitive to blacks. they are looking for gimmicky. >> laura: a piece in -- sorry. a piece in "new york" magazine noted a big problem facing the democrat party as the white liberals increasingly define the party image and the messaging that will turn off the non-prite conservative democrats -- nonwhi