here to help me out, claudia tenney and sheri jacovski. sheri? >> it's an election year.already had equal payout since 1963. it's against the law to discriminate against women. >> they make it sound like republicans are not for paying equal. >> it is the law, and the president can set a good example. we know the obama white house does not pay women the same as men. but look, i'm not going to say that it doesn't happen. i think women do hit a glass ceiling and then they go out and smart businesses. and guess what? women-owned businesses create jobs in this country more than all the fortune 500 companies combined. when you start making it hard for these women to have jobs, you're going to have a problem. >> that transcends the whole gender thing. you're a small business owner. it's about just providing opportunity that would benefit men and women. >> we don't need government getting in the way of women creating jobs. i'm the co-owner of a small business in its 68th year, and all we need is government to come in and regulate us even more, especially coming from new york. >>