claudine guay, so you know, guay, sorry.think the pushback has started and i think you'll see more of it. and that's a good sign. >> i agree , and i endeavour to >> i agree, and i endeavour to be optimistic , but it also seems be optimistic, but it also seems to me almost inevitably, that so many people are so jaded and so exhausted by everything that's happened without respite over the last few years. >> how are people expected to regroup and do something positive? >> that's a great question. and people just tune out , you know, people just tune out, you know, they just say, i'm just going to the 90 y just sa y, i'm j' ust goin g to they just say, i'm just going to go back to my job and my family and look after my children and go to church on sunday and be civically involved and not obsessed but obsessed with cable news. but but i think that there's a lot to do. and i think there's there is some positive momentum. it's not just happened not just what happened at harvard. week. think, you harvard. this week. i think, you kno