nobody skam. >> reporter: police found the meat cleavers but they haven't arrested anyone or said whoht be behind the attack. roy's family and friends say they have no doubt his beliefs and writing made him a target. he was a professed atheist committed to tearing down fan gnat schism. >> translator: this [ inaudible ] that was earned by the blood sacrifice [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: activists gathered to extress their outrage over the prominent blogger's murder. some painted themselves red. roy is the second bangladeshi blogger to be murdered in the three years. natasha ghoneim, al jazeera. >>> let's talk to a lawyer and commentator on bangladesh and joins me live from london. this was a shocking murder on the streets of the bangladeshi capitol. why do you avijit roy was targeted? >> indeed it was a very shocking and barbaric murder unfortunately it was not the first time. it appears he may have been targeted because of his views, but we should be cautious to blame that the so-called islamic extremists may have committed this. and i say that, because when happens in bangladesh when

he and his wife were ambushed on thursday evening by at least two men with meat cleavers. wife was seriously injured. >> translator: i saw an unknown person bring out a knife and first hit him on the head and then the shoulders. i shouted for people to help but nobody came to save him. nobody came. >> reporter: police found the meat cleavers, but they haven't arrested anyone or said who might be behind the attack. roy's family and friends say they have no doubt his beliefs and writing made him a target. he was a professed atheist committed to tearing down fan gnat schism. >> translator: this was blerned by the blood fact fies [ inaudible ] >> reporter: activists gathered at the university to express their outrage over the prominent blogger's murder. roy is the second bangladeshy blogger to be murdered in the last two years. natasha ghoneim, al jazeera. >>> in afghanistan rescuers are struggling to reach villagers that could be buried under snow after a series of avalanches in the north of the country. hundreds are still missing, and there are fears there could be more aval

he and his wife were but should by two men with meat cleavers. his wife was seriously injured. >> i saw an unknown person bring out a knife and hit him on the head and showed. i shouted for people to help, but nobody came to save him. nobody came. >> police found the meat cleavers but haven't said who might be behind the attack. his family and friends say they have no doubt his believers and writing made him a target. he was a professed atheist tearing down at a naticism. his family said he'd been threatened before. >> it has turned into a den of militants. i demand that the government stopped activities and punishes them. >> after this gathering to express outrage over the murder, some painted themselves red. roy is the second bangladesh blogger to be murdered in the last two years. he's been called courageous and eloquent defender of reason and free expression in a country where those values are under attack. al jazeera. >> germany's parliament has approved the extension of greece's bailout, 542 members voted in favor of the deal, while 32 oppo

joirchs me is emanuel cleaver of missouri, and regina.ust heard the president speaking about her. thank you both for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> congressman, why are republicans so determined to repeal a law that's helped million regain health coverage. >> i just voted against it again. even a horrible coach would not run a play 54 times if it didn't work. this law has been demonized so badly and so often that in order to gain or maintain some level of response to that base, they're willing to do this over and over again, hoping the base doesn't understand it's going noplace. it's one of toes redundant political acts that signifies nothing. >> regina you met with the president today. tell our viewers what would happen to you if the affordable care act was repealed and your coverage was taken away. >> well mr. sharpton if the act was repealed i would then again be penalized for having a preexisting condition. i don't think myself or anyone else in america would ask to have cancer once let alone twice. i would probably most l

he and his wife were ambushed with two men with meat cleavers. >> translator: i saw an unknown person out a knife and hit him on the head and shoulders. i shouted for people to help but nobody came. >> reporter: police found the meat cleavers but they haven't arrested anyone or said who might be behind the tack. his family and friends say they have no doubt his beliefs made him a target. his family says he has been threatened before. >> translator: these [ inaudible ] that was learned from the blood sacrifice as now turned into a band of militants. >> reporter: activists gathered to express their outrage over the prominent bloggers murder. some painted themselves red. roy is the second blogger to be murdered in the last two years. he has been called a courage oust and eloquent defender of religious freedom. >>> in afghanistan rescues are struggling to reach villagers that have been buried by avalanches. there are fears there could be more avalanches as the snow starts to report. >> reporter: the police chief and the governor say that there are dozens of villagers that they simply can'

let's take a scalpel, and not a meat cleaver, and let's make sure we are funding the things that we know help american families succeed. that's a smart thing to do. [applause] i disagree with any republican who says that letting funding for the department of homeland security lapse is not the end of the world. that is a quote from one of them. i tell you, these other guys who are saying they're concerned about the borders, these are the folks who say they are concerned about terrorism, well who do you think helps monitor our borders? what do you mean it's not the end of the world? that's all you've been talking about. and now, suddenly, because you want to make a political point? you think that we can afford to make the department of homeland security not functioning because of political games in washington? we can pay for all the proposals that i have put forth in the state of the union by fixing a tax code that is riddled with loopholes for special interests. and if republicans don't agree with my approach are paying for it, then they should put forward their own proposals and i'm happ

noticed a deep indentation on the top of the skull, which suggested the killer used a machete or a cleaver on the top of the victim's head. and dr. murray found other cuts and scratches all over the skull. >> and there were signs of trying to get the flesh out of the skull, and it gave me chills to realize that someone had sat with this skull in their hands and defleshed it. >> this skull had a nose cavity indicative of a caucasian. a battery of nearly two dozen measurements fed into a computer program confirmed this was the skull of a woman. dr. murray estimated that the victim was under 35 years of age. >> the sutures of the skull, the lines where the individual's skull bones knit together, those were still very open. and they typically will tend to close with age. >> evidence suggested someone had used many different types of tools in an extraordinary effort to conceal the woman's identity. a series of jagged parallel marks indicated a serrated knife the size of a kitchen steak knife had been dragged along the sides of the skull. cut marks on the cheekbones indicated the jaw had been fo

joining me now is congressman emanuel cleaver and maria tchl teresa kumar. >> how far are they willinghis? >> there is a great divide. i was speaking with a republican who said to me that he would like to vote on a clean bill but he said that there was one section of the party -- and i think we know the second -- that is under no circumstance willing to vote on a clean bill. they believe that they have to be faithful and true to their constituency which says that at all costs, fight the president. and at all costs, make sure that you don't receive any ground on the issue of emigration. so we have 48 hours to go and it looks like unless the speaker brings a clean bill to the floor, we're going to end up with a shutdown and that's 2,266 jobs in missouri that will go away at least until something is done. >> that's in mess sourissouri. >> just in missouri. >> maria, what did you hear from him? >> that this whole idea of defunding or stopping dhs was a political football and putting lives in danger and he also was very clear that this is only a temporary stay that in reality, the judge tha

it would have been irresponsible to start with a cleaver, slicing everything partly because, i'm sure year or so later government would be trying to increase everything they could increase. better to stay in the middle of the stream. if increasing taxes or cutting the budget were unpalatable to richard nixon perhaps the federal reserve could combat inflation. the inflation rate is a function of the money supply. by restricting the money supply inflation should also contract. the fed cooperated. the result? one thing that was expected then by congress was that the price level would respond to restraint monetary and fiscal restraint, much more rapidly than, in fact, it did. so there was a tendency to say, "well, the policies are failing." as the restrictive policies did take hold, the economy slowed down. unemployment mounted. there was an outcry against this made-in-washington recession. but inflation was barely affected. it was entrenched. people expected it to continue and it did. could stronger medicine contain it? critical economists and politicians called for the government to fre

lot of 7, 8, 9 over the last 9 months the title is the other 9 to 5 on one level attempting to be cleaver but the nevertheless, our work the early morning workers and the need they have around transportation in n early in the process we 0 leader this was not a challenge for that the night life but many industries involving late night xhoourdz commuters that are effected in order for our city to thrive as a 24-hour city we need to address the concerns the report makes clear we're going to walk through a little bit of the report recommendations doing an overview we have a number of steps moderating and look forward to working with the shareholders to make sure that our ninth amendment workers have access to save and affordable transportation with that to jocelyn good afternoon i don't want to be repetitive i'm not often in front of you supervisors but last night people were obsessed i'll be here to ask you for more of the same and, of course, to thank supervisor wiener for honoring his commitment to night life and safety i was here a little bit less than a year ago to express our gratitude

i want to bring in congressman iman waleemmanuel cleaver, democrat from missouri. thank you for being here, congressman. >> good to be with you. >> are you surprised at the republican failure to get any bill passed with the deadline now less than six hours away? >> i'm surprised at the margin of that loss because i thought that they would twist enough arms to get the bill crossed. keep in mind votes are supposed to remain open for 15 minutes. they kept the vote open for 45 minutes. during that 45-minute period they were twisting arms and stim couldn't get the votes. so i think that there's a section in that conference that will not support anything that they think will be of value to the president. >> congressman we're talking homeland security a week when three people were arrested talking about joining isis. this is a very very serious time. do republicans have any plan to avoid a homeland security shutdown, to your knowledge? >> as i left the capitol a few minutes ago after the vote members were grumbling and mumbling. i think they're going to gather later on to

the assailants hack at him with meat cleavers, then escaped into the craft. >>-- crowd. >> i saw an unnamedn pull out a big knife and hit avijit roy. i shouted, but nobody came to save him. no one came. >> roy's family said he was threatened by extremists in the past for defaming islam and he was one he could face problems in bangladesh. police are looking into claims by a little-known islamist group that they carried out the killing. protesters have gathered in the capital to denounce the murder. they fear the government will not do enough to upper hand the killers. some complain about what they call a "culture of impunity" in the country, where there is increasing friction between atheist bloggers and hard-line islamist groups. roy's father also said the government must act with urgency. >> this bangladesh that was earned by the blood sacrifice of the martyrs has now turned into a den of militants. i demand that the government immediately stops militant activities brings the militants to justice, and ensures punishment. >> police have said they will do all they can to arrest the attackers

they were attacked with a cleaver on the way home from a book fair in capital. a previous member of the militant group says he was the target of "his crime against islam." he was a prominent voice against religious intolerance. >> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is facing criticism now from israeli media, political opponents over his planned speech to congress next week. netanyahu agreed to the invitation from house spea john boehner to talk about preventing iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. it was made and accepted without the knowledge of the white house. several top obama administration officials say the speech will damage u.s.-israeli relations. well, that is the focus of abc 7's next town hall. it airs following prime minister netanyahu's address to congress tuesday, march 3rd and you can watch it live on our sister station, newschannel 8 or on line at wjla.com. that is next tuesday at 7:00 p.m. >> coming up on abc 7 news at noon presidential hopefuls are making their pitch. what they're saying today. >> too hot to handle? a consumer alert abo

cleaver. -- missouri, mr. cleaver. >> thank you, mr. chairman and ranking member. thank you for being here mr. watt. there's been a lot of discussion about the 3% down and i'm not sure if the suggestion is that 3% down is reckless. i was looking at a study of v.a. has a 0% down and a lower foreclosure rate than the prime lenders. so is there any evidence that 3% is going to cause more foreclosures if 0% is not causing foreclosures? what is it about 0 to 3 that creates this problem? >> well, i think representative cleaver the challenge is to look at lenders and make a determination when the down payment is lower there's the potential that it could be a riskier loan. but when you pair that with other compensating factors, which this product does, you offset that additional risk. and that's exactly what we've done. lending is about assessing the ability of people to pay. and what most people don't realize is that even probably 90% of the people who are underwater have no equity in their mortgages at this point are continuing to pay their mortgages. right? so that's no

> the woman wore a floral apron around her neck, that woman from my mother's village with a sharp cleaver in her hand. she said, "what shall we cook tonight? perhaps these six tiny squid lined up so perfectly on the block?" she wiped her hand on the apron, pierced the blade into the first. there was no resistance, no blood, only cartilage soft as child's nose. a last iota of ink made us wince. suddenly, the aroma of ginger and scallion fogged our senses, and we absolved her for that moment's barbarism. then she, an elder of the tribe, without formal headdress, without elegance, deigned to teach the younger about the asian plight. and although we have traveled far we must never forget that primal lesson-- on patience, courage, forbearance; on how to love squid despite squid... ( laughter ) ...how to honor the village, the tribe, that floral apron. thank you so much. ( applause ) >> funding for overheard with evan smith is provided in part by mfi foundation, improving the quality of life within our community, and from the texas board of legal specialization, board certified attorneys in you

cleaver. >> thank you, mr. chairman. rankin, thank you for being here as well. there's been a lot of discussion about the 3% down and i'm not sure if the suggestion is that 3% down is reckless. i was looking at a study, a 0% down at a lower foreclosure rate than the prime lender. is there any evidence that 3% is going to cause more foreclosures if 0% is not causing foreclosure? what is it about zero to three that creates this problem? >> well, i think representative cleaver, the challenge is to look at the lenders and make a determination when the down payment is lower that the potential that it could be a riskier loan. but if you pair that with other compensating factors, which this product does you offset that additional risk, and that's exactly what we have done. lending is about assessing the ability of people to pay. and what most people don't realize, even 90 probably 90% of the people who are underwater have no equity in their mortgage at this point are continuing to pay their mortgages. right? so that's not a criteria whether somebody is going to pay whe

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. >> two men attacked them with meat cleefers or cleavers or ma ma chet shets s.machetes. >> being in his final article he referred to the charlie hebdo attacks in paris and wrote "such religious extremism is like a highly contagious virus. facebook, one that read, roy lives if america so it is not possible to kill him right now but he will be murdered when he comes back. police say they're investigating a local group named anse rfertionseralatim. target is down. roy's father spoke after visiting the police station. be. >> translator: i demand thatthe government immediately stops militant activities, brings into exemplary punishment. >> reporter: anger filling the streets with hundreds of people protesting the latest attack in their city. in 2013 a blogger was killed near his home. like roy he spoke out against religious extremism. for these protests, roy's murder represents another failure by the police and bangladesh government to protect its citizens. >> we are very concerned about this incident that is threatening the secular part of bangladesh. turning had co

. >> the police found the meat cleavers but they have not arrested anyone or who might be behind the an attack. his family and friends say they have no doubt that his beliefs and writings made him a tart. he was an atheist pulling down fanaticism. >> i demand that the government punish them. >> many gathered to express their outrage over the prominent blogger's murder. he has been called a courageous and eloquent defender of reason and free expression in a country where those values are under attack. >> rescueers in afghanistan are struggling to reach villagers buried in snow. more than 200 people are known to have died. and in panjshir hundreds more are missing. freezing weather and lack of machinery are hampering efforts to reach trapped people. >> the panjshir has seen snow before. but this was something different. meters and meters of it turning jagged mountains into smooth wide slopes, and valleys into silent gorges. in the provincial capitol it was anything but quiet. helicopters buzzed over head. hundreds of troops trudged uphill to secure the peaks and the convoy of military

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let's tend a scalpel and not a meat cleaver. >> president obama seeking help from democrats for his newthat would break automatic spending caps and we're back now with the panel. so here briefly is the president's plan for his new budget which will be out tomorrow. the president wants to go 7% over the automatic spending cap sequestration with $38 billion more for defense and $37 more for domestic programs and it would be paid for by $320 in new taxes and fees. do think they could get republicans to go along with this or is this about the white house getting a good political issue? >> it is a wish list. this is what the white house wants in a perfect scenario. they are hoping to find alignment with republicans. everyone agrees that the sequester is a bad idea. no one wants it to go into place in the first place. there is a huge gap between the way the white house is proposing to get rid of the cuts and what the congress wants to do. the white house says i have a plan, it is your turn republicans, if you want to get rid of the spending cuts and you want to put forward a budget, you go. >

police say he was hacked to death with a meat cleaver thursday nights on the streets of the bangladeshly unknown militant group is claiming responsibility. >>> activists say kurdish fighters are closing in. isis terrorists have captured up to 220 christians in that town and the surrounding province this week. >>> a prominent russian opposition leader has been murdered in moscow. he was a former deputy prime minister. the russian ministry says he was shot four times from a passing car as he was walking on a bridge outside the kremlin shortly after midnight. his death comes one day before a planned protest against president putin. the kremlin says putin will personally oversee the investigation. >>> outgoing attorney general says the obama administration is working on ways to capture or kill the terrorist known as jihadi john. reports say the figure is a west london man known to officials. holder talked about the changing terror threat facing the u.s. on the heels of john kerry's declaration that americans have never been safer. >> i say it is worrisome and different the threat is more d

cleaver. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and ranking member, thank you for being here, mr. watt. there's been a lot of discussion about the 3% down. and i'm not sure if the suggestion is that 3% down is reckless. i was looking at a study, v.a. has a 0% down and a lower foreclosure rate than the prime lenders. is there any evidence that 3% is going to cause more foreclosures if 0% is not causing foreclosure? what is it about 0% to 3% that creates this problem? >> well, i think representative cleaver, the challenge is to look at lenders and make a determination when the down payment is lower there's the potential that it could be a risk alone. but when you pair that with other compensating factors, which this product does, you offset that additional risk. and that's exactly what we've done. lending is about assessing the ability of people to pay. and what most people don't realize. even probably 90% of the people who are under water have no equity in their mortgage at this point are continuing to pay their mortgages. right? so that's not a criteria of whether somebody is going to p

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take a scalpel and not a meat cleaver. >> president obama seeking support from the house republicanss to spend billions on government programs. here briefly is the president's plan to the new budget which will be out tomorrow. the president wants to go 7 percent over the automatic spending cap sequestration with $38 billion more for defense and $37 billion more for domestic programs and pay for it with $320 billion in 10 years over new taxes and fees. do white house officials really think they can get republicans who clearly want more defense spending to go along with this, or is this really, abut the white house trying to get a good political issue? >> a wish list, what the white house wants in their perfect scenario. on the sequester when it comes to the defense cuts, they are hoping to find some alignment with republicans. everyone agrees the sequester has been a bad idea and no one wanted to go there in the first place but there is a huge gap between the white house getting rid of this and what republicans want to do. mainly the white house is saying, i have a plan, the president

>> i think, representative cleaver, the challenge is to look at lenders. when the down payment is lower there is potential it could be a risky loan. but when you pair that with other compensating factors which this product does you offset that additional risk. and that's exactly what we've done. lending is about assessing the ability of people to pay. and what most people don't realize, even probably 90% of the people who are under water have no equity in their mortgage at this point are continuing to pay their mortgages, right? that's not a criteria whether somebody is going to pay whether you've got 3% 10% -- you know. it's about whether you want to have a home that you own, right? and so you assess those criteria and there are substantial studies that confirm that home ownership counseling makes people better borrowers, more reliable borrowers. this program -- that's one of the compensating factors. and if all else fails you've got to have private mortgage insurance to back the loan. so it's not as if we've created a risk in situations, these are not th

. >> congressman cleaver, the breakdown of this is rather interesting.ou have 20 republicans that are probably going to vote against fast track because of all the right reasons. it's bad for jobs and the economy. you have 40 republicans that are probably going to vote against it because they don't want president obama to have that authority. so as i look at the numbers and the way this is breaking out. the congressional black caucus plays a big role in this. not to mention they haven't before. but where is the congressional black caucus on this. i know you want to stand with the president, but this is an issue of jobs and security. your thoughts? >> we have a number of members who have supported these trade agreements. he had been a very strong advocate. after you leave him and a couple of others i think it's going to be difficult for the members of the congressional black caucus to get fast track authority authority to president obama or any authority. it's not about president obama when it comes to us. keep in in mind that fast track means that members

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let's take a scalpel and not a meat cleaver. >> president obama seeking support from house democratshis week for his new budget, which would break automatic spending caps and spends billions more on government programs. and we're back now with the panel. so, here briefly is the president's plan for his new budget, which will be out tomorrow. the president wants to go 7% over the automatic spending cap sequestration with $38 billion more for defense and $37 billion more for domestic programs. he would pay for this with $320 billion over 10 years in new taxes and fees. julie, do white house officials really think that they can get republicans who clearly want more defense spending to go along with this? or is this really about the white house trying to get a good political issue? >> it's a wish list. what they want in the perfect scenario. on the sequester, when it comes to defense cuts in particular, they're hoping to find some alignment with republicans. everyone agrees that the sequester has been a bad idea. no one wanted it to go in place in the first place. there's a huge gap thou

that was done through a series of letter writing campaigns between huey newton and eldridge cleaver. so you had massive infiltration of the panthers. one interesting fact that came up during the discussion about richard aoki and his status or non-status as an informant in seth rosenfeld's book, i had a discussion with the oakland leadership about this and their own estimates is that they -- and this may speak partially also to beverly's point, it requires further research, is that their own estimates that there were up to 700 informants inside the black panther party. looking at some of the oral histories that have been done of previous organizations like the revolutionary action movement and the communist party, i think questions of infiltration in these organizations are very important. that they're problematic in documenting and finding definitive documentation but i think there's a lot we don't know about levels of infiltration surveillance inside radical organizations but in the panthers, that split between the east and west coast branches of the party was incredibly destructive

that was done through a series of letter writing campaigns between huey newton and eldridge cleaver. so you had massive infiltration of the panthers. one interesting fact that came up during the discussion about richard aoki and his status or non-status as an informant in seth rosenfeld's book, i had a discussion with the oakland leadership about this and their own estimates is that they -- and this may speak partially also to beverly's point, it requires further research, is that their own estimates that there were up to 700 informants inside the black panther party. looking at some of the oral histories that have been done of previous organizations like the revolutionary action movement and the communist party, i think questions of infiltration in these organizations are very important. that they're problematic in documenting and finding definitive documentation but i think there's a lot we don't know about levels of infiltration surveillance inside radical organizations but in the panthers, that split between the east and west coast branches of the party was incredibly destructive