if you know anything about california, our state rock is a clementine rock -- i can't pronounce that. if you go up highway 101, turn up vermont, going to potrero hill, you see that rock. you go up on court land, up on diablo, you'll see that rock up there. if you go to folsom, going up to red hawk, you'll see that rock up there. so this -- the contaminants, to me, have always have been in e and e-2. and also, if you get down further, parcel g, because my father worked out there, and he did a lot of that toxic -- where they buried the toxic right behind the lab. so those are the contaminants. but up on the top of that hill, there's no contaminants. my first check, when i worked at my first job in the hunters point shipyard, we cashed at that bank in the hunters point shipyard. we know where the contaminants are. listen to the community to find out where the contaminants are, not the newcomers. >> thank you, mr. james. >> thank you very much. >> linda parker-pennington. >> thank you, and good afternoon, commissioners. and i first want to just say thank you to commissioner bracket and co