they reside at clemson university. so i don't consider it an authorized version at all.peration and access, yes. approval, no. c-span: where are you from? >> guest: i am a native northerner, born in the upper peninsula of michigan, grew up in wisconsin and went to the university of michigan in ann arbor. so, good solid midwestern roots. c-span: what was your major in school? >> guest: i was both an english and history major in ann arbor but i worked four years on the michigan daily and, i think, as much as anything, that was the central fact of my college years. c-span: when was the first time you can remember seeing strom thurmond in person? >> guest: the first time i can remember seeing him in person, i believe, is when i went over to my first judiciary committee meeting in the late summer of 1979. i had moved up here from raleigh, north carolina, where i worked for the news and observer to take the beat for congressional quarterly that has been available, principally, to someone with a legal background, which i have. i had heard of him when i was growing up, but in tr