clete, this sounds like a wrestling or a boxing match. meetings with the chine. i never b heard language like this. >> no, it's pretty rough, larry. and let me, first, say it's a pleasure to be here with you. it was an honor to work with you, it's an honor to be on your show. larry: thank you. >> but, you know, the meeting -- [laughter] the meeting was rough. and it's not totally surprising to me. athe tensions have really been building between the unitedbu states and china, and we're early in the biden administration. and they don't really have the personnel in place to set things up for a more productive meeting. now, but you and i know, as you said, we've been in the room, and we know that sometimes what you say in front of the cameras is different than what you say behind closed doors. and i think we need to wait to see what comes out of it. i i know i'm hoping that the u.. makes two points very clear to china. i think the first one, as you alluded to, is we need to let them know we're not going back to the obama days. president trump

multidecade proposal not inflationary, because you would be taking taxes out on the other side >> clete reconciliation, where it wouldn't matter what the republicans think? >> you need to have joe manchin on here to ask that question i think what you're going to see in the weeks ahead is that a lot of republicans are going to be making the points that i'm making, which are that raising taxes in the middle of a pandemic, when we're in the middle of an existential competition is china is the wrong way to both grow our economy and win that competition for the future and i think that there's going to be a lot of pressure on democrats and they're going to have to decide are they willing to take that risk for legislation that i think look, in some areas it's critical on roads and bridges, i agree on broadband, but do they really want to take that risk for a whole bunch of other social spending that i don't think the american people see as critical and i will just say, i do want to respond to two points that austan made. in terms of sort of why biden won the election, i do think we have to rem