cleveland, tennessee. places, you know, through georgia and alabama and mississippi and tennessee. you respect the people who have them. it also sort of helps you blow up cartoon versions and perceptions, in my case, of what the south was. now, those are all my friends. these are those people. so i think when i went to college, i was sort of looking away from where i away from where i lived. we were talking about sam's dating life at dartmouth up in the lonely forest. >>al-of-the big green. >> the hanover, new hampshire, but i -- everyone has a different experience, but to your point, joe, it was just what i say to people is, go challenge yourself a little bit, and don't change who you are, but expose yourself a little bit. doesn't mean you agree with all the things those people think, but helps you be sympathetic in some ways and humanize the people who hold those views. >> before you went down to vandy, if you voted for george w. bush, you were evil. go out, play basketball and are friends, a lot of them voted for bush. okay, well, maybe they're not evil. jonathan, i'm learning t