. >> rose: you quoted in a piece on april 2nd, cliff cupchin who said the following.ight now he has no foreign policy legacy. he's got a list of foreign policy failures. a deal with iran and the ensuing transformation of politics in the middle east would provide one of the more robust foreign policy legacies of any recent presidencies. it's kind of all in for obama if nothing(snú else. so for him it's all or nothing. >> yes. no, i think, cliff cupchin is stating this in rather stark terms, maybe some degree of hyperbole. there are other things the president can point to, particularly for instance his opening with cuba.he opens afghanistan by the time he leaves office and so on. what cliff cupchin is saying for all those disappointments he's had in different areas around the world, this is one thing that would be a lasting legacy if it were to work. his critics will say it could be the other way around, they accuse him of being a neville chairman lun if they have a bomb inspite of the deal. >> rose: we can't afford for him to be wrong and we think he's wrong. >> that's