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—— cliff richards.t a grip of a sense of perspective in these things happen on the day we have the need summit going on if literally for piece on the agenda, i think of for bigger scandal today is the story about borisjohnson not handing over his phone when he said that he would in a former prime minister noted bbc news reader and the police coming out and saying there is no crime to investigate. this is crazy stuff, i think in a discipline now, once we completely understand talking by it now and it's perfectly right and understandable, i think once we absorb the fact that huw edwards is we have been talking about, i think his family are entitled to privacy and everyone in the story is entitled to privacy in the bbc get some of its investigation of the move0n. , ., ., �* move0n. some people would and i've echoed similar _ move0n. some people would and i've echoed similar sentiments _ move0n. some people would and i've echoed similar sentiments about - echoed similar sentiments about perspective but, it'

people will remember the cliff richard case where there was a raid on his house which was covered livewas also reported in the media. thejudge said, we don't know what the evidence is, i've got to weigh the right of privacy, the reasonable expectation of privacy against sir cliff richard against the right of the public to know. he said, while we haven't established all the facts at this very early investigator a stage, then those circumstances, i think the right to privacy trumps. and so we've never been able to report since 2018 people who have been arrested and are helping police with inquiries or indeed serious employment engagement such as the one that we are seeing in this particular case. as a consequence of that, that is why the individual is anonymous. you have this right to privacy, a reasonable expectation to privacy that applies to the individual making the complaint and the person who has complained about. it's notjust because they are celebrities or celebrities are involved, this is the same for anybody in the country. 0nly the same for anybody in the country. only if ther

i think colleagues said just then about cliff richard's . i think that cliff richard's.t the problem for the bbc generally is that it has played its part in trial by media on numerous occasions . i'm sure you numerous occasions. i'm sure you can remember , jacob, many of can remember, jacob, many of your colleagues in parliament who have suffered because allegations is sometimes groundless . allegations is sometimes groundless. sometimes we allegations is sometimes groundless . sometimes we never groundless. sometimes we never see the actual evidence and careers have been ruined and it is therefore now to see the bbc adopting a cautious approach with one of its own employees, one rather wishes they might sometimes apply the same standards when allegations are made about other people in pubuc made about other people in public life. >> but doesn't it have a legal obugafion >> but doesn't it have a legal obligation with one of its own employees? because as employment law kicks in and they can't really allow the news at ten to be doorstepping people or the today programme or

sun is quite clear that it is not for it given the various press codes and laws following the cliff richarde of a reasonable right to privacy. it is not for them to name this particular individual and that puts him in a difficult position because of course they cannot produce evidenc because the evidence is likely to identify both the presenter and the young person in question. christian: you are right. there is clearly a duty of care to the presenter but there's also a duty of care to other presenters in the building and jeremy vine has tweeted tonight this. he says i am starting to think the bbc presenter involved in the scandal should come forward publicly. these new allegations will result in yet more vitriol being thrown at perfectly innocent colleagues of his and the bbc, which i'm sure he loves, is on its knees with this but it's his decision and his alone. adam: those are all very good points. we are told this center is a household name, a senior figure in the bbc, and it's quite clear that the uncertainty and the difficulties whichim devi was saying are doing damage to the institut

yeah, absolutely. >> in fact, the bbc going back to cliff, richard story, as to the cliff, richard storyrecall, were landed serious i recall, were landed in serious trouble court because he trouble in court because he contested said and trouble in court because he contewere said and trouble in court because he contewere forced said and trouble in court because he contewere forced to said and trouble in court because he contewere forced to apologise . they were forced to apologise. they were forced to say they were now they have a duty were wrong. now they have a duty of to their employees. and of care to their employees. and if the allegations out to if the allegations turn out to be or fake , they will be made up or fake, they will have been absolutely right. not to released this guy's name to have released this guy's name or the presenter is, and or whoever the presenter is, and this presenters supposedly a high profile presenter. >> trouble is, nick, in the modern world and the internet, twitter is what it is . yeah. twitter is what it is. yeah. what i mean, what recourse is there? th

there more recently, cliff richard , which recently, cliff richard, which as you said earlier , raisedu said earlier, raised a whole mess . massive issues about whole mess. massive issues about privacy . and you would think by privacy. and you would think by now that they would have understood that given their prominence in public life, they needed a complaint process that is transport front is fast , is is transport front is fast, is something that genuinely gets to gnps something that genuinely gets to grips with the facts as quickly as possible. but they just don't seem to be capable of, as i say , coming to grips with that , do , coming to grips with that, do you think there is a problem at the bbc of the overmighty star and that the people who manage the bbc are too overawed by the stars who draw in the viewers, by their millions, and therefore they can act as they will? >> well, absolutely . >> well, absolutely. >> well, absolutely. >> absolutely. and of course, a classic case in point there is gary lineker, where he is continuing to tweet very , shall continuing to tweet very, s

and we've talked very much over the last few days, post the cliff richard trial, that a person in thisinence we are given to it is too much? i do, ithink we are given to it is too much? i do, i think it's very important that the bbc news demonstrated their independence and that they would report unflinchingly, and i think frankly you've done that. but i think over the last day or so, it's become almost self obsessed, your coverage. i think the problem is there's so much going on else in the world, and you keep on reporting this, but at great length. but now we know, we ought to have known from the beginning that the family involved in the first particular complaint clearly have issues, and it's a family and difficulty there. we know the family in this case must be suffering, the presenter�*s family, there's no evidence at the moment to go forward with criminal prosecution, we know the bbc has continued its private investigation, then let it publish what there is. meanwhile, why are we not saying to the sun newspaper, "you publish these allegations, you ask for the bbc to give the detai

they did to cliff richard.ed up. one, they just hung an innocent think they're innocent man. so i think they're trying it right. but they trying to do it right. but they won't do it right. they'll do it wrong. and it's mean , i think wrong. and it's i mean, i think in the papers one, they said that one six out of ten people of the british public know who this is about. so it's just it's ridiculous. out ridiculous. it should come out and the presenter should actually come out and say something themselves. >> what i wonder. >> well, that's what i wonder. now, do it. whether it's now, tony, do it. whether it's because because because that presenter because there two very there have been two very powerful today. the powerful statements today. the police the moment police saying at the moment there's no threshold that suggest has suggest a crime has been committed. alleged committed. the alleged victim saying, i'm not a victim, no crime was committed , maybe the crime was committed, maybe the presenter out and prese

one cliff richard case z case.zikri who was arrested in connection with the manchester arena bombing. all the cases say that the privacy right wins. and so you can see why publishers are sitting there thinking , are sitting there thinking, well, is this really worth the risk? yeah absolutely. >> look, charlie, thank you very much. and spectacularly well done for guiding us through this this horrendous minefield that we're having to tread. charlie maloney, there is a media law consultant . right. okay. loads consultant. right. okay. loads more this story our more on this story on our website gbnews.com. fastest website, gbnews.com. the fastest growing news site in website, gbnews.com. the fastest gr0\country news site in website, gbnews.com. the fastest gr0\country . news site in website, gbnews.com. the fastest gr0\country . all news site in website, gbnews.com. the fastest gr0\country . all the vs site in website, gbnews.com. the fastest gr0\country . all the beste in the country. all the best analysis, big opinio

and cliff richard, paul awful.ff richard, paul gambaccini , you know, if you gambaccini, you know, if you think back as well to the slurs against lord brittan, lord bramall , you know, facilitated bramall, you know, facilitated to a large extent by the police, it has to be said, in giving details to journalists. so i think actually , although it is think actually, although it is an extremely complicated , as an extremely complicated, as mark said, it is a minefield . mark said, it is a minefield. but he walked through that minefield very well without giving anything away. >> well, if i was one of the fellow presenters or colleagues of this person, i mean, they're all coming out. it's like, um, i don't know if anyone remembers that song that that shaggy it wasn't me song. rate, wasn't me song. at this rate, they're all going to have to do like a, a cover version of that. they're coming as it they're all coming out as it wasn't wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't you know, let

the decision in cliff richard was a game changer~ _ decision in cliff richard was a game changer.ng, but in a situation like this, at what point does it become, does anonymity, become unsustainable?— does anonymity, become unsustainable? . , ., unsustainable? that is a very tough question. nicky- — unsustainable? that is a very tough question, nicky. you _ unsustainable? that is a very tough question, nicky. you see, - unsustainable? that is a very tough question, nicky. you see, if- unsustainable? that is a very tough question, nicky. you see, if i - unsustainable? that is a very tough question, nicky. you see, if i was l question, nicky. you see, if i was advising _ question, nicky. you see, if i was advising the — question, nicky. you see, if i was advising the bbc, i would say, you do not _ advising the bbc, i would say, you do not name. and that is the position— do not name. and that is the position that you have to stay with. i position that you have to stay with. i mean. _ position that you have to stay with. i mean, there is something called jigsaw— i mean, there is someth

you mentioned cliff richard, what happened to cliff richard was utterly appalling. disgraceful.innocent then verily he should present himself to prevent his colleagues from being wrongly aligned in the current getting game. that is from paul. jeremy was saying on this programme this morning he went to the springsteen concert on saturday, lucky him, and was advised by his other half to wear a baseball cap lest he get any hassle for all of this. another text, we need to know the names, but we do need, sorry, we don't need to know the names but we do need a free press to highlight when organisations are not playing a fair game but individuals should be anonymous until prosecuted. this pompous and since when did the media become a lynch mob? especially after the way flip schofield was treated, i really don't like the direction of travel. that is by pete. this is self obsession by the media, says this one, taken to a new level. please report actual, substantive news, there is so much going on in the world. coming up at ten o'clock, our panel of mps, and you can ask them anything you

that starts with the cliff richards case, the bloomberg case fairly recently.e thinking very carefully about if this is doing harm, and it potentially has ethical harm to a lot of people. not the least of which is huw edwards. that will affect any claiming or work going forward. a legal claim with anyone involved. but it has been reported very carefully for different reasons. he has not been named, and as evidence the -- has not been shared, we are going to see a great deal of speculation across cial media, we certainly haven't heard the last of this issue. >> thank you for that final word. 50 seconds, but we will point out that he is not resigned. he remains the employee, and he is still working. >> there is a process, but the thing you take away is the thing i think you first hear about this. i was utterly shocked when i heard this, and i think many other people will be when they hear his name. and, he is obviously a very -- in a very difficult situation, but there is a process. thank you very much. plenty more to come. narrator: funding for this presentation

i think this probably came because the laws have certainly got tighter and stronger since cliff richardample , when the police for example, when the police famously raided his house while he was in portugal and they put it on television and said it was cliff richard's house. yeah which is appalling, which was utterly dreadful. and still affects him to this day . so the affects him to this day. so the house. but here we have a terrible story about a concerned mother and her child. and now we have another concerned mother as the chairman of the bbc. and i think swiftness is the key to this. this needs to be sorted out quickly. there doesn't need to be a long investigation . to be a long investigation. we're talking about a pretty straightforward one set of allegations , unless there are allegations, unless there are more about this person, one doesn't know. i mean , look what doesn't know. i mean, look what happened with jemmy savile and rolf harris started with one and built up. and one hopes that there isn't more of this horrific allegation to come. and if it is proven , it needs to be

one of the most famous involved sir cliff richard, who successfully sued the bbc in i think 2018, whent turned out that the allegation the police were looking into was wholly false, it was an untrue allegation, he was an entirely innocent man, but the damage had already been done to his private life and, therefore, the courts awarded the case against the bbc. so privacy is in there as well as defamation. the two laws taken together, they don't necessarily effectively preventjournalists from undertaking investigations and exposing scandal, but they do act effectively as a means of preventing trial by media at the earliest stage of cases. and that's basically where we seem to be at the moment with an investigation going on, a lot of lack of clarity about facts. and it's in that kind of context that very few newsrooms would be prepared to actually name an individual. in the last few minutes, we've heard a second child has died following an incident where a car crashed into a school in south—west london. she has been named as eight—year—old nuria sajjad. the metropolitan police have releas

there have been more and more privacy cases before our courts, one of the most famous was sir cliff richardhe allegation was false that they were looking into, but the damage had been done to his private life, so the courts awarded in the case against the bbc. so privacy is in their as well as deformation. the two laws ta ken in their as well as deformation. the two laws taken together, they do not effectively preventjournalists two laws taken together, they do not effectively prevent journalists from undertaking investigations and exposing scandal, but they do act effectively as a means of preventing trial by media at the earliest stage of cases, which is where we seem to be at the moment with an investigation going, a lack of clarity about facts, and it is in that kind of context that very few newsrooms would be prepared to name an individual. newsrooms would be prepared to name an individual-— an individual. dominic casciani, a leual an individual. dominic casciani, a legal correspondent, _ joining us from the newsroom. we will bring any development on the story as we get them. you can f

all this debate about the changing of the law when cliff richards was named in the police investigationnda, you've got... i think a far bigger scandal today is the story about borisjohnson not handing over his phone when he said with a what. that's a former prime minister, not a bbc news reader. the police came out and said there was no crime to investigate. this isjust crazy stuff. and ijust hope that now, once the... i completely understand why you're talking about it now, but i think once we've absorbed the fact, i think his family are entitled to privacy and everyone else involved is. the bbc gets all investigation and let's move on. many people would echo your sentiments or already have. but it's the age—old tension about what is in the age—old tension about what is in the public interest in what interest the public interest in what interest the public. what is the story really about to your mind? i the public. what is the story really about to your mind?— about to your mind? i still don't think we really _ about to your mind? i still don't think we really know _ about to your mind

one of the most famous involved sir cliff richard, who successfully sued the bbc in i think 2018, whenhe police had searched his home. it turned out that the allegation the police were looking into was wholly false, it was an untrue allegation, he was an entirely innocent man, but the damage had already been done to his private life and, therefore, the courts awarded the case against the bbc. so privacy is in there, as well as defamation. the two laws taken together, they don't necessarily effectively preventjournalists from undertaking investigations and exposing scandal, but they do act effectively as a means of preventing trial by media at the earliest stage of cases. and that's basically where we seem to be at the moment with an investigation going on, a lot of lack of clarity about facts. and it's in that kind of context that very few newsrooms would be prepared to actually name an individual. you can follow the latest on that story on the bbc news website. let's move onto one of our other this hour. the arrival of president biden in the uk, these are live pictures from stansted a

after the cliff record —— cliff —— cliff richard case, they decided they had of reasonable right to privacyren't always consistent because we have mps and accused in the house of commons, and yet his name is still the public domain. where is the difference here? i domain. where is the difference here? ~ ' . . domain. where is the difference here? ~' ' . , ., here? i think the difference is that this is about _ here? i think the difference is that this is about the _ here? i think the difference is that this is about the media, _ here? i think the difference is that this is about the media, it's - here? i think the difference is that this is about the media, it's about| this is about the media, it's about the bbc and it's about someone who's not a politician. there is a sort of certain feeling that people involved in politics are more accountable. i would argue that someone who's a national figure would argue that someone who's a nationalfigure in news or current affairs should also be accountable on the basis that we spend time holding people to account. newsnight, for example, has made a f

name, name cliff richard immediately , name cliff richard immediately, without actual proper without evidence , they got into a lot of evidence, they got into a lot of trouble so maybe trouble for that. so maybe that's why they're that's the reason why they're being careful this being a bit more careful this time. let's to this time. but let's move on to this one. nigel farage. now, you may have heard that he had his bank accounts and military accounts closed and now military companies, have been companies, banks have been accused of threatening the uk's security by refusing certain military companies accounts. people are warning that this could cause defence services to collapse, leaving britain exposed to foreign influence. nigel says that the european union is to blame for the closure of his bank account and ministers at plans to scrap ministers look at plans to scrap eu laws which let banks close accounts over political views. so what do you think? has the government lost control government actually lost control of joining me of the banks? well, joining me to discuss, nigel to di

we mustn't forget paul gambaccini and as you mentioned, cliff richard i suppose the cliff richard and i suppose the bbc could argue when we heard yesterday from alleged yesterday from the alleged victim actually quashing victim who was actually quashing the sun's original story that anything illegal had happened , anything illegal had happened, it does make you think , hang on, it does make you think, hang on, we've got to take time, make sure the facts are established. and it kind of adds credence to that. but obviously , these new that. but obviously, these new allegations come to allegations then have come to light the story seems to take light as the story seems to take on a nature of its own, possibly the only law breaking so far as we can see it could be this lockdown breaking of the rules . lockdown breaking of the rules. >> yeah, of course . and we >> yeah, of course. and we mustn't jump to conclusions because there are allegations. it doesn't mean they're true. but at the same time, what what what appears to be happening with the numbers of people coming forward now is that t

margaret, cliff richard.rson is, of course, and we will know very soon. the question for me is why would a mother complain to the individual's employer rather than go straight to the police in the first place? >> chris says they need to end the speculation and announce who this is . is the speculation and announce who this is. is keep them this name is. is keep them coming in. gb views gb news .com. or you can tweet . gb news. .com. or you can tweet. gb news. now the former director of ucas , that's the university application process organisation i >> -- >> they're warning that thousands of british students face missing out on places to foreign applicants at the uk's top universities. >> us cities are apparently looking for more international students because they pay higher fees, compared to domestic students. >> all tied in with all the cost of living issues and rising inflation and universities really struggling to make ends meet. >> so we're asking this morning, should universities be putting brits first?

. >> then saw the cliff >> but then we saw the cliff richard and it's. yeah. richard case and it's.icult. >> very difficult. and where do you draw? it's very difficult line. going to be line. we're also going to be talking race talking about critical race theory. you your privilege? >> oh, i know, i know. according to archbishop of canterbury, to the archbishop of canterbury, i am. but all i certainly am. but before all of let's get the weather, of that, let's get the weather, the temperatures rising , boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar power sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there and greg dewhurst. and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast stays unsettled. over the next few days. we'll have showers on thursday and then rain spreading in for friday and turning quite wet and windy as we move into the weekend. the last area of low pressure that we've had the last few days pulls away and then this area of low pressure moves end the week and moves in to end the week and into the weekend, bringing unsettled conditions for all of us. still some showe

ironic, isn't it, because they were far less judicial when they sent a helicopter to poor old cliff richard'suse amid allegations which turned out to be completely untrue . so they're completely untrue. so they're happy to point the finger at a true british cultural icon like cliff . but they want to protect cliff. but they want to protect the identity of one of their own. why well, the bbc said they didn't get more serious allegations until thursday , and allegations until thursday, and they've been following their protocols . so, of course, we protocols. so, of course, we should reserve judgement. they may have done all the right things at every stage. time will tell . plus, the alleged tell. plus, the alleged perpetrator may be innocent of any crime after all. a lawyer representing the alleged victim has said the mother's story is complete rubbish, but she has since hit out standing by her exclusive explosive claims. either way , withholding the either way, withholding the identity of this individual will cause more damage when it's finally revealed. and at the moment, the beeb leave thems

, people are cliff richard, paul, gambaccini, etcetera, people , gambaccini, etcetera, people, harvey in the headlines is that those who are accused should not be named. and at the very least, until they've been charged and then only when a judge says yes , you can name judge says yes, you can name them, they always say that other evidence will come forward. you know , you have to name these know, you have to name these people. other people people. so other people will come of the come forward that most of the time that is actually not even relevant. it is just relevant. so it is just grotesque isn't just the grotesque and it isn't just the people the headlines like people in the headlines like spacey me or whoever. it is spacey or me or whoever. it is ordinary day by day, you ordinary people, day by day, you know, headmasters, bank managers, and they may managers, etcetera. and they may not in the national press, not be in the national press, but are destroyed but their lives are destroyed locally and it's got to stop. >> and matthew, one of the issues here is hollywood, because holl

, people are cliff richard, paul, gambaccini, etcetera, people , gambaccini, etcetera, people, harvey in the headlines is that those who are accused should not be named. and at the very least, until they've been charged and then only when a judge says yes , you can name judge says yes, you can name them, they always say that other evidence will come forward. you know , you have to name these know, you have to name these people. other people people. so other people will come of the come forward that most of the time that is actually not even relevant. it is just relevant. so it is just grotesque isn't just the grotesque and it isn't just the people the headlines like people in the headlines like spacey me or whoever. it is spacey or me or whoever. it is ordinary day by day, you ordinary people, day by day, you know, headmasters, bank managers, and they may managers, etcetera. and they may not in the national press, not be in the national press, but are destroyed but their lives are destroyed locally and it's got to stop. >> and matthew, one of the issues here is hollywood, because holl

case.i with with the cliff, richard case. a microphone under the noses of the senior news managers at the bbc as they came out having lost the cliff richard case. so the bbc does scrutinise the bbc in circumstances it does this and i think it it does. >> and just on that, we are going to have to wrap it in a second, chaps, as good as this is. but it's commercial pressures, i'm afraid. but which actually isn't something the bbc faces. but when it comes to that, i wonder whether or that, clive, i wonder whether or not can go hard as not the beeb can go as hard as maybe they would like on the sun, given fact that clearly sun, given the fact that clearly they try expose they wanted to try to expose themselves as well, which is part of their their issue. and on that, there were on top of that, then there were more allegations published internally wife's internally after his wife's statements this business is statements. this business of is it insensitive of i'm not it deeply insensitive of i'm not sure the bbc is completely blamel

yeah and cliff richard eventually got a grudging one, but only after the bbc had spent £2 million refusingive him an apology for its invasion of his privacy . you haven't had to his privacy. you haven't had to wait as long as he did, and you haven't had to sue them. but it's disappointing that someone even as genuine and serious as debbie turness, can not bring herself to say we were wrong . herself to say we were wrong. >> interesting . no, but she does >> interesting. no, but she does at least give me more information about the source by confirming they went back to the source. now, there are some, david, who would speculate that given that simon jack had had dinner the night before with dame alison rose, you know, a conversation early that morning could have been, you know , we could have been, you know, we had a couple of glasses of wine, didn't we? dame alison, are you sure you want me to pursue this? she says yes. and nigel farage gets call at 9:00 the gets a phone call at 9:00 the next morning may be what next morning that may be what happened. not be what happened. it may not be wh

. >> and because i mean, cliff richard and everyone said, we're going to sue the police.re going to sue the police. we're going to sue the police. we're going to do this. and paul gambaccini was very upset. and i didn't think the police behaved badly me because at the end badly for me because at the end there was no further action and i neven there was no further action and i never, ever charged. um i was never, ever charged. um but i wouldn't want to go through it again. it's slightly different now. i mean, so he, i was accused of breaking the law. he's not been accused of breaking the law, but it's just the accusation. i think that's done the damage. and at the end of the day, the sun newspaper, which i quite love, i think it's great but i saw neil great fun. but and i saw neil wallace with you last night, they would just wring their hands the next hands and wait for the next little titbit and they won't care. they'll put that story away they'll get on with away and they'll get on with the next it's bit much. when next one. it's a bit much. when the sun are the moral gu

. >> and because i mean, cliff richard and everyone said, we're going to sue the police. going to sue the police. we're going to sue the police. we're going to do this. and paul gambaccini was very upset. and i didn't think the police behaved badly me because at the end badly for me because at the end there was no further action and i neven there was no further action and i never, ever charged. um i was never, ever charged. um but i wouldn't want to go through it again. it's slightly different now. i mean, so he, i was accused of breaking the law. he's not been accused of breaking the law, but it's just the accusation. i think that's done the damage. and at the end of the day, the sun newspaper, which i quite love, i think it's great but i saw neil great fun. but and i saw neil wallace with you last night, they would just wring their hands the next hands and wait for the next little titbit and they won't care. they'll put that story away they'll get on with away and they'll get on with the next it's bit much. when next one. it's a bit much. when the sun are the moral guar

yeah and cliff richard eventually got a grudging one, but only after the bbc had spent £2 million refusingive him an apology for its invasion of his privacy . you haven't had to his privacy. you haven't had to wait as long as he did, and you haven't had to sue them. but it's disappointing that someone even as genuine and serious as debbie turness, can not bring herself to say we were wrong . herself to say we were wrong. >> interesting . no, but she does >> interesting. no, but she does at least give me more information about the source by confirming they went back to the source. now, there are some, david, who would speculate that given that simon jack had had dinner the night before with dame alison rose, you know, a conversation early that morning could have been, you know , we could have been, you know, we had a couple of glasses of wine, didn't we? dame alison, are you sure you want me to pursue this? she says yes. and nigel farage gets call at 9:00 the gets a phone call at 9:00 the next morning may be what next morning that may be what happened. not be what happened. it may not be wh

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the cliff richard scandal.o appallingly treated and now the events surrounding huw edwards as the bbc is a national treasure, it will be sharpened and burnished by the winds of competition in, but it will be snuffed out by the comfort blanket of the licence fee. as always, i want to hear from you. don't forget to let me know what you think. mog at gbnews.com but now can turn to my distinct now i can turn to my distinct panel now i can turn to my distinct panel. former labour mp stephen pound and the very distinguished barrister and successful barrister and successful barrister and successful barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes . jerry, you've jerry hayes. jerry, you've always been on the slightly left wing of the conservative party. yes. are you going to champion the bbc under its current model or do you think it's right under its current model? >> but all this huw edwards business, all this business of bias is catnip for the right wing of the conservative party, which i'm sure you're not a member who who

have read cliff richard's house. have i got that. yeah. i got that.. >> flew over it and choppers overhead. >> yeah. so i mean and he's never really recovered from that. i don't overhead. >> think i should have >> i think i should have rephrased anyway, rephrased that. anyway, that's for front page is done for all the front page is done now join us in a few seconds now but join us in a few seconds for deflating china. not quite so zero and scurvy making a comeback. you in >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> and welcome back to headliners with me, simon evans. we're going through the best of tuesday's stories with leo wallace, aukus and robert, the bruce devlin. so bruce, yay times now after fears of inflation, stagflation , inflation, stagflation, playstation and staycations , it playstation and staycations, it looks like they found a new kind of asian deflation . deflation? of asian deflation. deflation? >> deflation, yes. chinese factory prices, fuel concerns about deflation. i'm apparently the gate prices have fell at the fastest pace

— cliff richard when it rains, hhoh-s ohh— cliff richard when it rains, hhoh-s ohh r— cliff richard whencricket. a ti all cricket. but no, it could have been a blood, you know, the way it's going yesterday, i mean, my goodness. i mean begins described it i could tell what a cricket aficionado is by the cricket aficionado he is by the way described it. he was way he described it. he was completely on the money and it was jonny bairstow was basically batting stepped his batting stepped away from his crease of the over. crease at the end of the over. and then he was he was effectively stumped . but it's effectively stumped. but it's not cricket . that is being said. not cricket. that is being said. there were boos all the way around lord's. everybody was up in arms. and then when the australians went back to the long room, which is always the very famous room that they would always walk through, where all the mcc members are, they all started they were started kicking off. they were all screaming. i all shouting and screaming. i mean, mean, this this is mean, i mean, this is this is suppose

raid , effectively cliff, richard raid, effectively on his property and subsequently the privacy clausesught in. yeah absolutely. >> yeah. that's that's that's the reason why we had this supreme court ruling last year that anyone under investigation by a law enforcement agency has the right to privacy until they are charged. and that is why we are charged. and that is why we are refraining from naming them . and in addition to that as well, of course, defamation and really , there's very few facts really, there's very few facts at the moment. really, there's very few facts at the moment . we have the at the moment. we have the allegations the newspaper , it allegations in the newspaper, it seems the article, that seems reading the article, that there is no evidence , there are there is no evidence, there are allegations from the family , but allegations from the family, but yet bbc trying to establish yet bbc are trying to establish the facts and hope to learn the facts and we hope to learn something later something more about this later today. hawkins, thank you today. paul hawkins, tha

they should have learnt from the cliff richard fiasco. should know that fiasco.now that actually probably to actually it's probably better to get checked out and if get things checked out and if you're to mess around with you're going to mess around with people, around with people, don't mess around with farage last person farage and he's the last person they have messing they should have been messing around with. >> very good point. rishi >> very good point. now rishi sunak out the sunak has lashed out at the labour and as ongoing labour party, and as ongoing industrial action continues to cripple he's cripple the country. so he's written the daily telegraph written for the daily telegraph and said the opposition have shown total unwillingness to stand up to the unions, even with those demanding with those demands demanding unaffordable rises of sir unaffordable rises of 35. sir keir starmer has failed to rule out meeting their request. the impact strikes by these impact of the strikes by these unions be underestimated. unions cannot be underestimated. a 94 year

they should have learnt from the cliff richard fiasco. should know that fiasco.know that actually probably actually it's probably better to get things out and if get things checked out and if you're going to mess with you're going to mess around with people, around with people, don't mess around with farage last person farage and he's the last person they should been messing they should have been messing around with. >> good point. rishi >> very good point. now rishi sunak the sunak has lashed out at the labour and as ongoing labour party, and as ongoing industrial action continues to cripple so he's cripple the country. so he's written for the daily telegraph and have and said the opposition have shown unwillingness to shown total unwillingness to stand up to the unions, even with those demands demanding unaffordable of sir unaffordable rises of 35. sir keir starmer has failed to rule out meeting their request. the impact strikes by these impact of the strikes by these unions be underestimated. unions cannot be underestimated. a 94 year old great grandmother fro

cliff richard, not even in the country . we've got a the country.t a helicopter going to his home, which he never, ever returned to it. absolutely decimated his life . and then that also fell life. and then that also fell into other allegations , ins and into other allegations, ins and other issues that went on with lord bramall, with sir leon brittan, with my friend harvey proctor, who were then accused of all sorts of horrendous crimes and none of it was true. >> it makes people are traumatised. >> and this was and this was how this sort of chain then reacted. so i do think you know, i'm not going to question the person's integrity or the parents integrity. i don't know what happened. none of us do. but i think the bbc now have to really step up. and i think, as you say, the name of the person is apparently in the public domain . we don't know whether they are guilty or they're innocent. but this needs to be dealt with and deau this needs to be dealt with and dealt with very quickly. >> well, let's take a look at this new development. as i've just