simon, managing director at hull capital and our guest host for the hour cliff robbins, founder and ceo group. cliff, this is important to you guys, there's, you know, growing momentum behind it even while people also maybe it's just me kind of roll their eyes at the same time. why is this such a priority for you? >> it is hugely important. i really think we're in a new paradigm for successful investing. you must take into consideration environmental, social and government factors, and i think they're going to be critical for success. they're important, we're really at a tipping point. around certainly at blue harbour we're integrating that fully into our investment process. >> michael, what does this mean for you? does this -- does it mean people you can't invest in? or do you create separate funds that are sort of green -- >> no, actually quite the opposite. so i work for the new york state controller who overseas new york city pension funds, $170 billion. half of it is in public equity. we own about 10,000 public companies around the world. around 3,000 companies here. very long time

. >> coming up, cliff robbins, the founder and ceo of blue harbor group.e have senator heidi heitkamp, she comes from north dakota, has been a supporter of gorsuch, has broken with her party on a few things. she's on the banking committee. we will talk to michael garland, talk to john engler, and you have to stay tuned for the next one, i'm so excited. william mcraven, university of texas chancellor, former admiral and author of "make your bed" which you might have seen in the "wall street journal" book review about a week and a half ago. it's great. ever since i read this, i not only tried to make sure i make the bed, but make it well. >> it's about physically making the bed in the morning? >> there's more to it. he gave a great commencement speech on this theme that then became the basis for this book. the whole idea is you have to almost tell yourself every day, you know, i'm setting myself up for success today. i'm starting with the little things, moving on to the bigger ones. very powerful. >> as i depart at 3:20 a.m. each morning, i don't make my bed