cliff schecter, the founder of liberatis is joining us. he was a consultant for the group mayors against illegal guns. enkoujment from the senator. >> i call it a principled move. you have two state senators go down in recall elections. you had the elections that are off year, they are off cycle. the nra pumps money to have the elections. few people somehow up, those that like to fondle their guns. for the senator to do that, knowing a democrat will come in and maintain the balance of having a one-vote majority means that the important gun-safety measures that were past will remain. >> what do you make of nra dark ticks, paying $5 for a ticket. are you surprised by the nra going this way. >> there's into account the nra can surprise me with. i'd say it shows how desperate they are. frankly, they are picking up a couple of conservative districts. they are getting people kicked out of office. they are paying to get the signatures. in the end they are the death throes. we may not be there yet. the core constituency are older, white, rural mal