joining me is cliff sloan. i saw you when you had that job. i joked it was like the drummer this spinal tap. it was like the worst job in washington was the dude who was supposed to close guantanamo. why is it so hard? >> well, it's hard for a number of reasons. first, you've had congress pass completely irrational and unnecessary restriction that have tended to tie the president's hands and you also have had the fact that the issue erupted politically. there are tremendous misunderstandings about it. the issue got seriously off course. that doesn't change the fact it's extremely important to close guantanamo. it poses real national security problems as the president was just saying. >> to be clear about the population, there's a whole bunch of people, i think about 35 people who are sitting there who, we the united states government have no claim they have done anything wrong. they are just sitting there 12, 13 years in what is an endless hell for a person picked up off the street by a bounty hunter. there's a bunch of people going through a