doubles the clip and he had to provide some context of the devil report to clifford coon. and clifford welcome that sort of fumbling doesn't happen very often when it comes to serious controversial issues. what do we make of that? when it's, it's remarkable and it's, it's sam almost unprecedented. the press conference, the briefing from the foreign ministry is, is very much a formulaic affair where people go along and they, and they ask their questions and statements or read out. they're not answers per se, their statements. and they're prepared in advance because they know the topics of the day. am this clearly he and they know this question is coming because it's, it's news. it's obviously not on the main use in china thought on the, on the m, on the main media. but it is all over social media, so they know it's coming am and then so it's very difficult explain why the reaction is so slow and so considered and so are not considered. there doesn't seem to have been preparation or in some ways it's kind of almost emblematic of the government's response because for days thes

for more in this i'm joined by clifford coon and he's our resident china analyst clifford. what stood out to you about these talks? did we see these so called guard rails appearing? well, i think we thought we had guard rails. we had red lines in the run up, we had all these terms that were flying around them, utopia candid talks, and i think the big takeaways the communication lines are back open. i think that's my key take away from the whole thing. i think the optics were very good. i think she jim ping was smiling. they shook hands, which we didn't even see last week when jobs are all shells visited beijing. it was there was definitely a kind of a warmth there. so the optics were very positive. however, the fundamentals haven't changed, none of the things that are dividing the world to great super powers, economic super powers as well have actually changed. they're still divided on key issues such as taiwan, human rights and change, young tech, trans fair and semiconductors. and the other main issues dividing these, these huge economies. so still saying more the same th

and i'm going now by the w reporter, clifford coon and who worked at the corresponded in china for many years. clifford protest and china are still very, very rare. what do you make of what we just saw? well, i think the pictures are startling. we seen a lot coming out of john jo, recently. i mean, last year in july, or you had climate change problems. we had flooding which led to deaths in the subway. there was this over 40 to know if you remember from the time. then in july, this year we had at the property crisis that was also playing at john joe, where people who went to the mortgage boy carson. they went into the city to protest. and now we have these protests at the fox corner. i phone city at fox con in, in john jo, so a lot is happening there. and john jo is right in the heart of china. it's the capital of honan province, which is the cradle of chinese civilization. so i think none of this is a accidental because it's also seen as the bell, whether it was happening in china. and what we're seeing is, is growing waves of, of protest against very, very strict policies. it's quite