the issue is the latest source of tension between china and the you, us and clifford coon and my colleague joins me for more on that. clifford, let's start with his testimony. there was, this is highly anticipated. a lot of people talking about how this would go, how did it go? i think it's fair to say it didn't go well for, for tick tock or its parent company by dance. it was basically, they done a lot of preparation. they'd install the ceo who, who looks in many ways like he's, he's a chat g p t version of, of the. so, you know, here, exactly, you know, he's, he's, he's singapore in, so he's not mainland chinese. he's harvard, goldman sachs, you know, he's got these excellent credentials. he's a great appointment and they hope that by that that they can basically present a much more progressive, a much less china people's republic of china aspect to the company. and instead he faces grilling and am i mean tech ceos never do well in these congressional hearings. i think it's probably fair to say, but he still, he, he evaded questions. he was, he found it difficult to answer things. for ex