first is clifford kupchan. he is one of the actual washington experts as opposed to people who pretend to be. he has expertise particularly on iran and russia. he is the chairman of the eurasia group. he provides top-level analysis and thought leadership on global macro issues as well as russian domestic and foreign energy policy and iranian nuclear foreign and domestic policy. prior to joining the eurasia group he served in the state department and on the house international relations committee. he was vice president of the senate for national instant and vice president of the airasia foundation. -- at the eurasia foundation, a program that works in russia. this is the first time that we have had kelsey davenport. i am delighted. she's the new star in washington. she is a go to source for a technical understanding of this agreement in the making. she is the director for the non-proliferation policy for the arms control association and provides research or nuclear programs on iran, north korea and pakistan on s

clifford kupchan: absolutely. >> the ambassador was very concerned. clifford: the saudis have out tentacles as to what is a threat from iran. if the hot water goes off, the iranians did it. it is my view the saudis have their way with yemen. i don't think the iranians care very much. at least for now. their audience have a lot of time. more time than the saudis do. iran is not unstable. they will make it more stable after this deal. barbara slavin: no other experts? yeah, right there, great. >> one of the things about the agreement is that the double-digit timelines. that 10, 15, 20, 25 years. that raises the question, what will iran look like in 15 years? presumably khamenei will no longer be among us. at that point. and there will be a generation that is very plugged in. the cohort moving up. there will be a new successor generation, though one presumably no longer schooled in united states universities. so john, my question, can you define anything about assuming an agreement and a faithful and limitation of the agreement, what kind of iran will we

clifford kupchan: so far so good. any deal will be an ugly deal. it is not a pretty deal. there are some technical problems, there's a lot we don't know. it meets the basic structure of a deal that curbs iran's access to nuclear weapons and provides state sanctions relief. obstacles? there are a lot of obstacles to the deal. one of the first, to me, is there are a lot of substantive gaps between the two sides. did you read the dueling press releases from yesterday? there is no agreement on how sections relief will work. the iranians think it will happen up front, the u.s. thinks it will be in phases. that jumps out at you. the iranians don't mention in their press release that they will give up all but 300 kilograms of enriched uranium. the u.s. makes a big deal of that. there are other discrepancies. the second obstacle is iranian domestic politics. in 2009, the deal fell apart because he could not sell it at home. is the leader going to get cold feet? the pressure is going up. the hardline is already coming after him. this is not a saddam hussein situation. he runs the c

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