and eleanor clift, a longtime washington observer, of "the daily beast." welcome to both of you. this is an individual, jon, who in many, many ways lived an american dream. and really showed what was possible for him in his time, in his era, in his moment. and what we've emphasized, was willing to publicly say when he was wrong and break with orthodoxy. what are your reflections, and how much do we need it now? >> we need it enormously. we've always needed it. and i think general powell did represent the best of the political general tradition. he was not perfect. he would be the first person to tell you that. he actually loved the washington game. he was a great gossip. and understood personalities, understood how the human nature of institutions is often, if not totally decisive, certainly influential. what he represented was a vanishing tradition, if not vanished. that was the tradition of an eisenhower, george marshall, george herbert walker bush. people who were republicans, but for whom the country came first. and that often cost them politically. it's not to say those figu