joining me live is clint van zandt. mer fbi profiler, also an msnbc analyst and as i welcome you again, clint, for the morning, let's talk about what you expect from the prosecution and defense. they've rested now, they've got this break. they come back now to present their final argue up thes. what would you say to them? here's what you need to do to win. >> the interesting thing is, somebody's got to make a decision. is amanda knox just a young american girl who she went over, she was smoking a few joints, she got her stories confused, but otherwise she was just acting like somebody her age? or is she this, as the prosecution suggests, is she this young, budding sociopath who wanted to walk on the wild side, who mixed sex and violence and drugs, and in equal murder. a very terrible murder that took place, perhaps again, as suggested that she, and at least two other people, took place in. or is she just being set up, alex? is it -- are they looking for somebody, they looking for an american, do the italians want to set

we'll talk to clint van zandt. so many lessons that i think a lot of mental health proflsales will be able to explain to us. >> just new details about this blog and what he wrote, even that he had gone in three times, it was the third time that he decided it was his choice to open fire. >>> now to that other big story of the day, it started off the morning, david, that emotional homecoming of two american journalists jailed in north korea. they touched down in burbank, california this morning, after bill clinton made a dramatic visit to pyonyang. there were tears all around. hannah had not seen her mother in five months. moments after the families were reunited, former president clinton walked down the steps of that plane. al gore was also there waiting at the end of the stairs to embrace his employees. they joined lee and ling's family. ling spoke about how she and euna lee first learned in a big way, that they would be coming home. >> 30 hours ago, euna lee and i were prisoners in north korea. we feared that at a

joining me live is clint van zandt, a former fbi profiler and msnbc analyst. stand you went over there and did studying on your own, too, right? >> yeah. well, i went over with dennis murphy and nbc "dateline" crew and we had unique access, you know, we went to the house, we went to the real italian csi and showed us photographs. dennis and i had a real firsthand look at time what the evidence was. how that's changed is a whole other story. >> let's talk about the prosecution and defense. they've rested now. if you were counseling them, what kind of focus would you have them bring back with them when they come back in september for closing argue mbmentes? >> i think it's going to be a couple of things done. number one, the prosecution is going to try to say, this is what physical evidence suggests, they're still hammer away with the dna amanda knox and kercher. amanda's blood and meredith's blood and other physical evidence. the defense has to refute that. they have make that, like in the o.j. simpson case, they have to show the glove, or the evidence doesn't f

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joining me live now from washington d.c., msnbc analyst former fbi profiler clint van zandt. he is the author of "facing down evil." talk about some evil they face down right here. >> yeah. >> very disturbing details, and apparently jasmine was identified -- she had the obvious means of identification taken away from her, her fingers. her fingers, fingerprints. teeth for dental record identifications. they used breast implants. >> as you probably know, alex, whether you have a heart implant or an artificial knee or elbow or something, everything has serial numbers to include artificial breasts. in this case the breast implants were identified by serial number. since we didn't have fingerprints, we didn't have dental records, and realized her body was moved, it was stuffed into a two foot by three foot suitcase that a guy was dumpster diving for trash happened to find and opened it up and found her body. then it took police a couple of days to find out who she was, and by that time the boyfriend was gone. this is the type of guy who says to the world, hey -- she wasn't going -

joining me live, msnbc analyst and former fbi profiler, clint van zandt, author of "facing down evil.orning. >> hi. >> we talk about christie corn well. the fact that the authorities called off the ground search what does that tell you? >> well, basically, they feel they've searched everywhere where her body could have been disposed of. in essence, looking for places where show could be alive, cabins, abandoned houses, anything like that, as well as they're looking for body disposal areas, realizing that she was taken in northern georgia, so the speculation she could have been taken up into north carolina, she could have been taken to tennessee. you know, when i look at blogs i see so-called psychics, they say one person took her, two people took her. i mean, there all over the map. some of these people ought to stay out of the way and just let the police conduct an investigation. speculation doesn't help, investigation does. >> okay. the fact that there has not been a body found, clint, i mean we always try to think positively here, do you think that's a good sign? >> well, you know,

clint van zandt is a former fbi profiler and also an msnbc analyst. let's get to the question here. years? she was 11. her own child is now 11, the same age she was when she was snatched while trying to catch a school bus. >> you know, unfortunately, tamron, we see these cases once or twice a year. you and i remember the case in austria, a woman was kidnapped by her biological father, placed in an underground bunker for 24 years. he sired seven children with her and kept her hidden underground. remember the case of shawn hornbeck in missouri kidnapped and held by his kidnapper for four years. these stories aren't that unusual but the bad analogy might be like senator john mccain trying to come back as a p.o.w. he was able to do that successfully even though those years were taken away from him and i guess part of it is what elizabeth smart, who was also kidnapped and held for almost a year, she said at the time of her kidnapping or her parents said to her, you know, your kidnapper took away almost a year. don't give him any more. >> right. >> take it back. i think that's what you ha

point where they felt strongly it was an accident, they would close their case. >> reporter: clint van zandt years, supervisor and profiler with the now famous behavioral science group, nicknamed the "silence of the lambs" unit. "dateline" asked van zandt, an nbc news analyst, to look at the public record of evidence in the george smith case. >> first, in a case like this, you've gotta go in and you gotta say, "well, what happened? we got a missing person. okay, if he's gone, is a homicide, is it a suicide, is it an accident?" >> reporter: what about an accident? both witnesses on either side the smith cabin noticed one of the metal balcony chairs had been turned around so that its back was near the four foot tall railing. hypothetically. did george smith, foolishly, perch on the balcony rail for literally a last cigarette? >> i push the chair up against the balcony. i sit up on the edge. i have a cigarette. the ship hits a bump or something and i go over the side? we can't say that didn't happen because we don't have the body to get the forensics from. so, i cannot at all discount the idea

let's bring in nbc analyst and former fbi profiler clint van zandt this morning. int, good morning. >> hi, ann. >> good god, how could a convicted -- known convicted rapist have gotten away with this for 18 years? >> you know, one thing, ann, there's one more time screams for a one-strike law that someone who offends against a woman or child in a sexual manner, the rate is so high that we really need to keep these people locked up, and we're doing the opposite in this country. we're kicking people out of prison when guys like this should have stayed in. >> well, let's talk about guys like this. thils not the first time we've heard of this kind of a story. tell us about how this goes. i mean, give us some perspective based on the fact we've seen these kinds of cases overseas and also, as george talked about, in the case of elizabeth smart. >> well, we've seen them in a number of different places. realize in this particular subject, he was convicted. he did 11 years federal time for a kidnap and rape already, and then he was released from prison. he had other charges

msnbc analyst clint van zandt and clint's also the offer of "facing down evil." clipt, good morning to you. >> hi, alex. >> very, very disturbing details in this case. the police say they identified her body through the serial number on her breast implants because her teeth and her fingers were removed. how unusual is this? >> well, it's very unusual. as you know, normally we have fingerprints, we have dental records to go from. the suspected killer has seen too many csi southeast. if you get rid of the teeth and fingers and stuff the body into a suitcase and hope it goes out to a landfall and won't be identified. >> when you look at how this all went down is it your suspicion that it was methodically planned or if it was a crime of passion? what do you think? >> no. it think it was a crime of passion. i think that the individual, her ex--husband, realized that she met and married this guy in the same month earlier this year and then had the marriage annulled a couple of months later. this is a man who had such a sense of entitlement, that the idea that she would

. >> nbc news analyst clint van zandt is a former fbi profiler. d morning to you. >> hi, meredith. >> you know, you have said from the beginning that you believe that mcdermott did fake his own death. does this fax fit into what you understand about the case? >> well, i think it really does. if you take this fax as something that pat mcdermott would have sent, he basically says, hey, i've done nothing wrong, i've committed no crime. like greta garbo, i want to be left alone. and just let me move on with my life, leave me alone, i've created a new life. maybe with new people. i don't want to go back to my old life. so, if he feels that he's being hounded, and if he feels he's living someplace where he can't just get up and run away again, this may be consistent with what he would be thinking at this time. >> in other words he would feel that people are getting closer and closer to finding him. he's getting nervous? >> yeah, i think so. i think that could be the case. that could be the genesis of cranking this out. but you know, the reality is, you a

>> clint van zandt joins us. clint, contessa is also here. there's a certain percentage of the population, obviously, that feels disenfranchised, disrespected, not included in some way. we talked earlier about how throughs a huge difference between people who feel that way and people who take the action of a man like this. have you been able to identify what the differences between somebody who feels, again, left out and then somebody who feels left out and exhibits this type of behavior? >> i think that's a fine line sometimes. another one of the common factors we find in mass suicides is probably when we look at, let's say, the past hundred plus incidents that have taken place in the united states. a suicide on the part of the shooter is usually there and at least 50% of the cases realize that is their less than 5% of the cases when someone commits a single or a double homicide, as terrible as that is. so this suicidal ideation is always there, too. this plan of this thought i got to get out of this world, i'm going to take others with me.

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joining me live is clint van zandt. a former fbi profiler, also an msnbc analyst.time over there in p peruse shah, talking with players in the investigate. with that being said, welcome back to you, wit the prosecution and the defense having rested their cases now if you could counsel them, what would you have them focus on when they come back in september for respective closing arguments? >> well, they've got a couple of tough things. number one, they've got to deal with physical evidence, does for example the mixed blood in the bathroom that supposedly amanda knox's and mer dit kercher's, the victiming dug that amanda was at the crime scene at the time? the blood was there that morning the time of the murder. there are many inconsistencies that both sides have to deal with. you know, it's like the o.j. simpson glove or other things like this. things are going to have to be explained physically as far as blood, telephone, computer records. but the other big side of this is personality, is the jury going to buy in that what the media calls the angel face american,

our prayers go out to the family and certainly thank you so much, clint van zandt, for your perspective on all this. if you have any information, please call the union county sheriff at 706-38835-2902. >>> now let's get a check of the weather from the weather >> outside our door, looking pretty good. we will be up to 92 in central maryland. 88 in ocean city. and anyone on the eastern shore. winds at a southwest >> and for all your weather needs, go to weather.com. ann, look at these two here. they called in sick. they're playing hookie from work that. >> i have a feeling they're going to be found out, stephanie. >>> still ahead, what every parent needs to know when it comes to schools and the swine flu. >>> right after this. >>> we are. now to securing your home from burglars. consumer reporter and reader's digest contributor janice lieberman is here with some inside secrets burglars probably don't want you to know about. janice, good morning. some of this is common sense. other things, though, i have to be honest, i hadn't thought about. where did you get this information? >> they comp

our prayers go out to the family and certainly thank you so much, clint van zandt, for your perspective on all this. if you have any information, please call the union county sheriff at 706-38835-2902. >>> now let's get a check of the weather from the weather channel's stephanie abrams in for al this morning. >> two girls are her visiting from virginia but mom is still asleep? >> she was really tired ig nostht last night so she just stayed in bed. y>> an cou tellan her, wakeup, mom! >> wake up, mom! >>> let's look at the weather this morning. storms throughout the center of the country. that's where it will be stormy  >>> it's ameup summer morning. good morning. 73 in washington, and montgomery county in the mid to upper 60s as well as arlington and fairfax and prince george's and warmer near the bay and the beaches. farther to the west in the low and mid 60s, lots of sunshine today and hot up in the mid 90s. more of the same tomorrow. humid wednesday and thursday. highs near 90. a greater chance of showers >> and for all your weather needs, go to weather.com. ann, look at these two he