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let me bring back clint van zandt. t, you've been willing to the report from charles from fort worth. is there anything that you get out of this as a former fbi profiler or just still too sketchy to even begin putting some kind of form to this? >> no. i do get something out of this, al. this is something i was looking for. i was looking for this video game aspect of it. you know, you covered the adam lanza shooting, the sandy hook shooting, and we know that young man played those violent video games for hours and hours. many do this and refine shooting skills but they lose the ability to identify with human tragedy. you and i and everybody else becomes a number, a point, a medal they can win instead of a loss of another beating human heart. and one more time it sounds like we're seeing that played out again. and al, for the video industry and everybody to say not me, we understand few people who play those games actually act out. but there are those who stand on the edge of the abyss and look for the chance to jump over

clint van zandt has been standing by. i understand you were also listening to the news conference there from cathy lanier and mayor vince gray, clint, at this point in terms of the investigation, what is law enforcement going to be focusing on right now? what's the first order of business? >> well, to me, one of the first things they have to determine is do we have one, two or three shooters? again, we keep hearing this information about this second and third person. pete williams i think rightfully so suggested earlier there may have been a misidentification or they may have counted the same person twice. but now the police chief one more time comes back and tells us the potential of three. so i think law enforcement has got to work very hard with the known shooter and find out who his known associates are, especially the last 24 to 48 hours, see if they can link anything to him or have any physical evidence that suggests there's something more than a first shooter. obviously if there is, we have two more bad guys out the

let's go back to clint van zandt. i want to ask the same question i asked of the colonel, after somebody is on the job and been shot, what is the mental road back for them? >> well, we hope there's a road back for all of them. but, you know, many times people just either cannot return to work or at least they cannot return to the same place where they were shot. now, some of these were military personnel and you know, you get paid for going to war and get paid to get shot at. not in an office building in washington, d.c. though, and that's the big difference. so that's going to be a challenge. there are going to be counselors available but realize when we talk about post-traumatic stress reaction, you don't have to get shot just to experience that. you can know someone who got shot or know someone who worked down the hall. there are 3,000 people in -- who work in that area and i would suggest a lot of them may have a hard time coming back again when you've got crews that are going to be in there overnight literally cl

a former fbi profiler clint van zandt joins me. what do you make of the judge's decision? the case, one of the groomsmen in the wedding said that the bride never looked at her husband during the ceremony and number two as importantly, tamron, she says they argued. she and her husband argued, he grabbed her arm and she says to the fbi she put both hands on his back and shoved him over the cliff. tamron, if you and i were in an argument and you had broken free, we would be still looking at each other. there's some holes in the story yet. he says she doesn't done anything since july, hasn't tried to get away. i don't see any reason to hold bail at this point. we'll see if that sticks because she's also made statements about wanting to commit suicide. >> which is the other concern pointed out. that she is -- appeared potentially to be suicidal given her confessed action. i've got to interrupt you -- i'm so sorry. i've got to take our audience to president obama at the white house with the amir of kuwait, reacting to the developments regarding syria. >> kuwait is one of our mos

joining me is nbc analyst clint van zandt. good morning. >> alex, good morning. i always like to turn to you and make sure the world is still there. >> it is still there. tragically not for this one man. this is just incredible, clint. this newlywed has confessed to killing her husband. she pushed him. but the prosecutors say that she tried to cover up the crime, lie to the police after the incident took place. so where exactly does that leave police with their investigation? what are they looking for ahead of this trial? >> well, there's a lot going on here, alex. one of the groomsmen in the wedding a week prior to the death, suggested that the bride never looked at her husband during the entire ceremony. what does that say? who knows? now we know she exchanged text messages with a friend indicating the day that her husband went over this cliff that they were going to have a discussion and suggesting she feared for her own life. alex, we get to the point then. first she said sure husband disappeared in a car with somebody else. next, she finds the body and tells

joining me now is nbc analyst and former fbi profiler, clint van zandt. clint, again, another massive shooting, but this one so different in detail in the fact that it was someone with military experience of two years in the reserves. collecting information on this man should not be that tough, should it? >> no, this shouldn't be a challenge, ed. we'll be able to figure out who he is, realize his military service was all in the reserves. i heard somebody refer to this guy as a decorated military veteran. he got basically two medals, which i got and other people would get in the military if you keep breathing for six months or a year, you get those. so this is -- this guy has got a record. two or three years ago, he got arrested. in texas, where firing a firearm in public. so there is going to be enough public information about him who his roommate described as a mild-mannered buddhist who you and i know is kind of a way of life, that would not be consistent with this level of violence whatsoever. so there was a lot to be learned yet. >> what we are told to

for more on that, let's bring in scott freedman and former fbi profiler clint van zandt., let's start with you about what you've been able to uncover about alexis' background. >> as we reported, he had one arrest here in ft. worth an incident where a gun was fired apparently into the ceiling in his apartment. he claimed it was an accident. the neighbor told police she was terrified about the gauy. we're hearing from a lot of people, getting a picture of a guy with two different personalities in one. on one hand a guy that was so charming that a couple of families invited him in over time to live with them. they felt he was a part of the family. described him as very peaceful. he would help out at the buddhist temple in the neighborhood. then we get a picture of a guy who had some moments of anger, including an incident in seattle where he shoots out the tires of a construction worker he's frustrated with in the neighborhood and describes it to police as a rage fueled blackout. >> clint, let me bring you in. this is all still developing. yesterday there was a report that a

to talk more about this i want to bring in clint van zandt, general barry mccaffrey is also an msnbc military analyst. gentlemen, good morning. >> good morning. >> clint, you're the profiler. let's start with the profile. he does have an arrest record. >> yeah. >> at least two prior shooting incidents. his dad said he may have ptsd from helping out in new york after 9/11. the other things that we heard from pete. what's your take based on what we've learned about him so far? >> well, the two shooting incidents that pete talks about, one of them, the neighbor above him in the apartment above him played loud music, he said. he didn't like it so he has a rifle and cranks off a round and puts a round through his ceiling up into the apartment when she's playing loud music. the police come and responds and he said i was cleaning my weapon and accidentally cranked off a round. that woman was so afraid, she moved away. another incident, he didn't like people parking in front of his apartment so he shot the tires out of their car. you don't have to be an fbi profiler to say those things should

clint van zandt, when you listen to what you have heard, what's your reaction? seems that this is an absolute possibility. i think we're dealing with the fog of war. i think we're dealing with 400 different witnesses trying to say what they saw, what they heard. i have yet to hear any witness put a gunfiring in the hand of anybody else other than the principal suspect other than we know is shot and dead. >> jeff lanza, does the profile of this individual who is deceased, aaron alexis, 34-year-old man from texas, does this tell you anything about a potential motive? >> it seems to me like it's a pure case of workplace violence on its face value. what we have to understand now is the motive. what was going on in that workplace. is he a new employee to that workplace? does he have a beef with the government from previous jobs that he was involved with as a contractor? definitely workplace violence. now we just have to figure out the motive. >> workplace violence. so you would rule out any thought of terrorism, correct? >> that's what i'm thinking right now. now, if

. >> i want to bring clint van zandt back in. we are dealing with unconfirmed reports and wrc are talking about active shots being fired a few minutes ago. unconfirmed reports of an officer down. if that is true, what does that tell you about the gunman as you are profiling him right now? >> sounds like a moving situation, chuck. at 8:20 this morning, shots were heard fired in believe 197 is what is being reported. anywhere from to three people down depending on whose report you deal with, but this latest report is disturbing also. what we don't know is where that alleged officer down report was. was it inside the building? was it inside the navy yard? or could this be a running shooting situation with the subject as he tries to escape? perhaps it's even unrelated. that's always the challenge as you know when we are trying to report the fast moving situations. you don't want to report something as fact when it's not sourced yet. what we clearly know is this is a traumatic situation. there hundreds or literally thousands of people

. >> i want to turn to clint van zandt, nbc analyst and former fbi profiler. clint, as we have said and will continue to say, details are emerging, getting information sporadically through the morning. we do know teams were there, s.w.a.t. teams were there. given the location of the naval yard, given what goes on there, are you surprised at the aggressiveness of this response? does this seem about on par? we know atf agents kicking down doors in some cases. they wanted to clear the area. there are five d.c. schools still on lockdown. is this business as usual insofar as there is a plan of action one needs to put in place in a situation like this? >> well, i think along with new york, washington, d.c. is obviously a major target for terrorist activity. in washington, d.c. you find more armed federal law enforcement officers who carry a badge and a gun, obviously, than any other place in the country. so this multi-agency response is always going to be there. i think everybody in d.c. kind of leans forward in the saddle if they have a law enforcement response wait

joining me now, pete williams and former fbi profiler clint van zandt. pete, i want to start with you. a few questions that i know that law enforcement are still looking for and that is this idea how did he get into building 197? i know we had one report that said he did have access to that building, but we see a hot note just now from our pentagon team that says his common access card only allowed him onto the grounds but not into building 197. >> reporter: well, i think that you're right, that's a big question. it does seem that basically he used the i.d. card to get onto the base and then in essence shot his way into building 197. it's our belief from what we understand from law enforcement that he came there with only a single firearm, a shotgun that he bought just last week at a gun store in nearby lorton, virginia, about 20 miles from here, takes about an hour to drive because of the traffic. but that would indicate that if he was thinking about this, thinking about this in advance, he only planned it within the last week or so or at least started

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our clint van zandt who was with chris jansing in the last hour is with me right now. clint, as we're hearing and again the possibility as wrc is reporting that there are shots fired just recently, what does that say to you about whether or not they have been able to corner the gunman, as you were reporting, between the third and the fourth floor? >> well, it sounds like there's still obviously some type of activity going on. now, i've been in situations, thomas, as an fbi agent where a gunman will fire off a few rounds to try to keep law enforcement back away from him. that would also be a sound perhaps misinterpreted and it could have been gas that was being fired into the location where he is. so there's a lot of potential explanations. but what it obviously suggests is that there's still something very active going on that concerns this alleged shooter inside this building and law enforcement. the situation still not over with and it's still very dangerous as far as shots being fired anywhere in that area. >> just to reset for everybody, at least ten people have bee

. >> clint van zandt will be staying with us. nbc's kasie hunt is on the scene. i understand you've just talked to a police officer there? >> reporter: yes. i spokeswoman for the metropolitan police department came and spoke briefly with some of the reporters who were gathered here. she says that they're going to provide us with a more extensive update shortly, although she didn't give us a time frame. all she was willing to say was that this was still, quote, a very fluid situation. so confirmation of all of the rest of the reporting we've been hearing, that this is still an ongoing situation and that it has not yet been resolved. and the one thing also listening to mr. van zandt talk about the atf, we did see several atf agents walk past us with badges so that agency is definitely here on the scene. >> nothing again that you've seen, and you've been there a couple of hours now, to indicate that there is in any way any standing down of the official presence there? >> reporter: i got here about a half an hour after initial reports say the first shooting was at ap

joining us now with more on the shooting, clint van zandt.essons from this if there are any. is this about gun control? is this about psychological profiling? is this about workplace safety? how do you think about all those issues? >> well, you think about all of them, but it also tells us just how predictable and nonpredictable human behavior is. as you're reporter just suggested, there are long-term personal issues with the believed shooter. both in the navy resulting in his discharge, the weapons violations that he's had over a period of 10 or 12 years. these have been long and ongoing that should've come up in his background investigation and that, perhaps, perhaps could've precluded him for access to a government facility. but again, these can be explained away. i mean, when the police responded in texas when he fired a shot through the ceiling to -- because he was angry about his neighbor's music, he said, no, no, i didn't do it on purpose, i was cleaning my gun and a round went off by accident. well, so they believe that, they accepted