clint van zandt, thank you for your time. appreciate it so much. fbi profiler, nbc analyst, clint van zandt with us tonight here on "the ed show," reporting on this terrible situation in colorado. let's turn now to lee ann greg at arapahoe high school in centennial, colorado. what is the latest? what can you tell us about the deceased? >> reporter: hi, ed. i don't know about the deceased yet. i don't know his name. earlier today, they had not revealed at all. all we know is when the police entered, they found him with self inflicted gunshot wound. a news conference ended a few minutes ago. you can see the high school behind me. this is where it happened. and, of course, not far from columbine high school that everyone has come to know so well. >> how quickly did police get there? tell us the timing, about how long this was, and how quickly it unfolded. >> reporter: well, the first calls came in during the lunch hour, a little after 12:30 local time. and the s.w.a.t. team was there within the hour. and within minutes, they didn't hesitate to go insid

and former fbi profiler, clint van zandt. thank you, both, for coming on the show tonight. let me go to you, clint, first. the shooter was apparently targeting a specific teacher. what's your analysis? >> yeah, al. this is some young man who had a vendetta against one specific teacher. and as you know, we've witnessed this over and over again. of course, we had the shooting at come bile in 19 columbine in 1999 and the aurora, colorado, future movie theater, and this one. these three are so close together. again, al, we have a young man with conflict resolution, anger management issues who turns to a fire yarm instead of what the schools have advocated for years which is develop nonviolent conflict resolution skills. >> what does this say to you, james cavanaugh? what is your analysis? >> well, i would say, reverend, the same thing that clint says. it's revenge, and it's suicide. both of those things are working together. you see that in a lot of these mass shootings. probably going to be some mental illness coming into play. and, you know, it's a slow burn. i mean, the sheri

at this point, let's bring in clint van zandt, hostage negotiator. and clint, you know, i tell you, it seems like it was just yesterday, i was talking to you on the air about another school shooting. about a year ago. >> yeah. craig, the unfortunate thing is, we have to continue to cover these. and i've had the opportunity to listen to you talk to other guests. and there is a number of challenging issues right now. we're getting multiple reports. one report suggests that the gunman was a student who committed suicide. we've had a second report that he was shot by responding officers. you know, this always happens. we always get conflicting reports, conflicting sources of information. but what we do know is one more time, colorado appears to have suffered again. and i know that you and i have done a lot of soul-searching and trying to understand this. and, of course, whether you're pro gun or anti gun, these are going to bring out a lot of different sentiments. but what we do know is that there are a lot of people who see a firearm as a way to resolve

as clint van zandt, former fbi profiler, was pointing out, there was recently in the paper there, the "boston globe," they just revealed their investigation, the five-month investigation into the tsarnaev brothers and the background of these men and that maybe that has some sort of catalyst approach to this that maybe someone in the area was reading about that. as we look at behavioral science, it will be fascinating when we figure out how the police can trace back where these first reports came in. >> it will be interesting to see if they can do that. were these cell phone reports? were they reports that came through e-mail? also if it was a student at harvard university, understand these are very smart kids, young people who go to this university. might they find some way to thwart the authorities' efforts to locate where the calls originated from. they can't take any chances about whether or not they are hoaxes. could one have been placed in the science center? are there materials in the science center that could be used in some sort of explosive capacity? yes, i would say that the

joining me is former fbi profiler and msnbc analyst, clint van zandt.you've got a lot of experience on these things, what are your thoughts. >> it's interesting. i've worked real bombings and bomb threats, chris. one thing i've seen in the past is when you have threats, many times you'll get multiple locations called in. you know, we're using the term "abundance of caution" and i think after the marathon bombing, obviously we have to do that. but the statistical probability of somebody being able to get into four different locations, set four different explosive devices and get out, when you see that many threats of that many devices from a profiling standpoint, you have to start thinking more on the side of a hoax as opposed to a real type of threat. and, chris, when you look at the four targets that have been named, two admin buildings, a dorm and a classroom building where final exams are going on, again, you have to think the primary target is likely that classroom building. the other three may very well be red herrings that are thrown in to try to