attitude or whether we will see see the angry tweets that we saw last night and this morning. >> clint watts is also with us, and clint, former fbi official, and we have pictures as well from the auto facility where we believe this van was found earlier today. the fbi is all over it. and clint, what would they be looking for now? >> at this point, they will take the vehicle in and process it for evidence, and what you are seeing there is that they are moving it to the location that is secure, and one that where they are ready to process that inevidence and log it to build out the case. you know, as we were talking about earlier, they will need to match the evidence they have and beyond that to match the evidence from this van which i am assuming that everything in terms of the dna and looking for the bomb-making materials, and remember, allegedly black pouder in the pipes and look for the residue both on the person and the contents of the vehicle, and this is all added to build that case. like they were saying before, we will see them going to the grand jury at some point, and going to the c

clint watts is with me here in new york city as well. clint msnbc's national security analyst, former fbi special agent, joint terrorism task force. we do not know a great deal right now, clint. we just know that there are four pipe bomb type devices that have been found. two of them found by the secret service intercepted. one of them at the obama's home in northwest d.c. the other at the clinton's home in chappaqua, new york. there was the pipe bomb device that was detonated in the woods two days ago, the home of george soros, the famous billionaire philanthropist, along associated with left-leaning causes and candidates, and now we have the device that was apparently sent to cnn that's led to the evacuation of time warner center just a stone's throw from us here at 30 rock over at columbus circle. based on what we know right now, clint, does the evidence suggest that one person is behind this? does the evidence suggest that there might be a group of people behind this? >> we can't say for sure, but based on the essential crudeness of t

clint watts is also here with us. clint, let's start with you. do you know why they would cancel this? >> it is really a trump administration term. they wanted it. radical extremism is what they wanted to focus to be. it like many other programs have not followed through on. we can say -- >> there are a lot of ways the to not have a program move forward. does that make sense? i know we spoke to people involved in this and, you know, they said that it's not really sensible to think about all of these different forms of extremism entirely separately. there is something common to all of these forms that challenge us from a security perspective. the federal government should be involved in funding a charge against it. >> look. it was the reason my division was created actually. it was a reform after 9/11. it is those that victimized us after the fact may be necessary but it's not success. we need to be as creative as we can based on what the intelligence shows the threat to be at preventing this loss of life in the first place. as part of that strate

joining us, clint watts, former special agent and national security analyst and author of "messing withnemy." clint, great to see you again. there had been a drop off in chinese cyber espionage activity after a 2015 agreement between then president obama and chinese president xi jinping that was aimed at stopping this. what is causing that huge increase? >> you would have to guess the trade war between the trump administration and china has actually elevated other forms of attack, essentially the chinese opening that door back up again. in terms of stealing intellectual property, there are two ways. take the property, duplicate it inside china, or pursue through cyber attacks. that's what we saw until 2015 in volumes. what is consistently the problem with the u.s. approach, you remember back to the iran negotiations, one of the things we are worried about in private sector is that iranian government using hacking to deny services to banks. asymmetric warfare. we are seeing it again. we can try to initiate a trade war, but we're the most vulnerable country when it comes to intellectual p

i'm joined by clint van zandt and also clint watts. let's talk about the response and you've heard three police officers were shot. these are guys that were going into a situation up against a man with a shotgun at least one person, we don't know if there are more, they had to use their cars for cover to begin with. and that sometimes can't be effective. >> one thing it suggests how rap pid rapid police response we have. realize that this situation, we look at mass shooting, mass murder, we look at those numbers differently. but this shooting with at least three officers shot and reports of sicitizens inside, this is le number 275 mass shootings we've had in the united states so far this year. >> it is an extra ordinary time. we have a lot of issues that we are dealing with. stay on the line if a moment. i don't know than die jonathan dietz is joining me. and i know that you have some information to share? >> reporter: pennsylvania state police have briefed some agencies and the primary information that they are providing is that there

i want to bring in clint vance, and clint watts. i'm going to have to say your full names. guys, thanks very much for being with us. this guy is as tom witter was saying is a treasure-trove of information. he had social media postings, a van that indicated not only who some of his targets were but his political views. there's dna, fingerprints. what do you make of the case the government has? >> well, there was a wealth of information. i think you and i were talking two days ago and we said this guy would be found in 24 to 48 hours. there was too much. this was the yellow brick road that led to him. but, you know, the fbi director tells us it was this, it was one fingerprint. well, that helped but realize return addresses for those envelopes for florida, it seemed logical someone would mail them from florida as opposed to ohio where he might get questioned why the return address from florida when you're in ohio. so i think the fbi started and atf and others started to front load the investigation in florida anyway. they were moving men, women resources down there. and as th

special msnbc contributor clint watts and donnie deutsch is with us, as well. so let's get to the what we know in the nationwide manhunt in connection to those pipe bombs sent to leading democrats and critics of the president including two former presidents. senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news that investigators are now looking into whether some of those packages passed through the same mail facility in florida, possibly those addressed to barack obama, hillary clinton, john brennan, eric holder and maxine waters. officials are now dealing with ten separate packages that are all similar. the latest was a second package addressed to former vice president joe biden which was intercepted at a mail facility in wilmington, delaware. earlier yesterday morning, a similar package was discovered at robert da the narrow's facility. investigators tell nbc news that at least some of the devices were poorly made and had no possibility of exploding. we're told it is unclear if the flaws were intentional to make a convincing hoax or just a bad design or constructio

, ran it up the flag pole to see if anyone would salute, we asked our expert, veteran fbi agent clint watts who has written a book on the subject, and he sees this as an attempt to change the subject. >> this is the rationalizing of what we heard in the election. so it's very consistent. whenever the president was challenged about the russian interference in the election in 2016 very early on, he would throw, well, it could be china, it could be somebody else. >> indeed. in this speech today, mike pence road out what had the sound of actual intelligence to make his point. >> as a senior career member of our intelligence community told me just this week, what the russians are doing pales in comparison to what china is doing across this country. >> now, sinicses and skeptic who harden against russian hacking, an administration making its argument in advance if it turns out the mid terms are meddled with, it was the chinese. the evidence clearly points to the chinese. one other curiosity from today's speech, it contained the word malign, which stood out in "the new york times" op-ed a few week

>> i'm sorry for the topics we had to talk about tonight, but very grateful to jeremy bash and clint wattsor joining us this evening. >>> coming up, eight days until the midterm elections. the president's approval numbers have taken a turn south. steve kornacki back at the big board to break it all down for us tonight when we come right back. today is the day you're going to get motivated... get stronger... get closer. start listening today to the world's largest selection of audiobooks on audible. and now, get more. for just $14.95 a month, you'll get a credit a month good for any audiobook, plus two audible originals exclusive titles you can't find anywhere else. if you don't like a book, you can exchange it any time, no questions asked. automatically roll your credits over to the next month if you don't use them. with the free audible app, you can listen anytime, and anywhere. plus for the first time ever, you'll get access to exclusive fitness programs a $95 value free with membership. start a 30-day trial today and your first audiobook is free. cancel anytime and your books are yours

joining us, reporter ben collins and former fbi special agent with the joint terrorism task force clint wattize in hate speech and thing that is go on on the internet. ben, is there anything this assassin wrote or posted on gab that would have gotten him in trouble with facebook or twitter? >> most things. he said i'm going in. right? it was after days of posting anti-semitic nonsense. specifically one conspiracy theory he had tied everything, every right wing talking point into an anti-semettic thing and took a picture of a van in the migrant caravan that hear about on fox news saying where does this come from? where is this money coming from? like, why are we -- >> implying that jews bringing the caravan or something? >> most important part is people saying anti-trump because he didn't take action on -- violent action on a lot of talking points he talked about so like he thought that this was an invasion by some sort of jewish backed group coming through the mexican border saying we can't stand for this anymore. >> clint, where's law enforcement here? >> yeah. so this actually becomes hard

talk about, and with us tonight jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon and clint wattsformer fbi special agent and member of the joint terrorism task force. gentlemen, good evening to you both. clint, because it was the last thing we mentioned i would like to begin with you. how on earth do the good guys -- and by that i define as the feds, the fbi, et al, your former colleagues, stay ahead of this stuff? how on earth would you have found this guy living in a ram shackle apartment, posting hate on the web? >> it's much more difficult in the domestic extremism case to be honest. i mean what we see is, whether it is twitter, facebook, youtube, international terrorist or domestic extremist, eventually they get pushed off platforms and they look for a place where their speech is not moderated at all, the terms of service aren't enforced in any way that moderates them, encrypted communications and anonymity where they can say what they want and not be pinned down by law enforcement. that means if you are the fbi or state and local law enforcement, you have to be developing h

for a conversation we could easily have over the remainder of the hour, julia ioffe, peter baker, clint watts. greatly appreciated. and coming up, the stuff the president is choosing to say in public and out loud as these midterms approach. later, the trump administration's latest response to the murder of jamal khashoggi. as "the 11th hour" is just getting under way on a tuesday night. we've hadfor a long time.is in san francisco and half-measures haven't fixed it. homelessness doesn't just hurt homeless people. it hurts all of us. that's why we're all voting "yes" on c. the plan is paid for by corporations that just got a massive tax break. it's time for them to give back by helping all of us to fix our homeless crisis. with more affordable housing... expanded mental-health services... clean restrooms and safe shelters. vote "yes" on c. it helps all of us. >>> with just 14 days until voters get their say, president trump is letting it fly at his rallies and really whenever microphones are present. this week he pledged a 10% tax cut for the middle class between now and the midterms, but cong

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