also harry lit man, former deputy attorney general during the clinton administration. great to see both of you gentlemen oochs. paul, the way you and your co-authors lay this out, this is part of giuliani's quest, you wrote, do rewrite the history of the 2016 election. tell us how giuliani was able to reach out to manafort, what was his goal? what did he want from him? >> i think the key thing to remember here is giuliani was brought in in april 2018 by the president on his personal legal team to defend the president against special counsel robert mueller in any indictments or impeachment that might arise from that inquiry. what giuliani was doing starting then but increasingly later last year and it sort of changed

this was a strategy that was put in place by the clinton administration and in the bush administration and it's about concentrating power in a small number of hands. so the way to deal with it is very simple. if something is too big, make it smaller. so the first thing that we need to do is make our corporations smaller. for corporations are smaller, then china won't have as much leverage. >> tucker: i couldn't agree with you more and one of the recommendations you've set on the show is to break up some of the big techk monopolies. matt stoler, i hope you'll come back on the show, congrats on the book. the part i read was amazing. >> thanks. we went up next, a washington professor says one of america's most pressing problems is a racist, sexist children's cartoon. you're going r to want to know a lot more about that, obviously. after the break. ♪

what i learned going back to my young days in the clinton administration, you have to view these casesy. no two circumstances have a cookie-cutter answer to whether or not to intervene. i supported intervention in libya to save lives when they were under imminent threat in benghazi. we were able to do that without putting u.s. forces on the ground, through airpower, and we saved tens of thousands of lives. the aftermath was not great. david: libya is not in better shape than syria right now, is it? susan: we did something for humanitarian efforts that manifestly succeeded in saving lives. we can talk about the aftermath separately. we have to weigh in each case, can the benefits that we provide as the united states or leading an international coalition outweigh the risks to our interest and security that may come with such an intervention. in each case, the equation is different. david: you say we have to adjudge each case on its own merit. let's talk to a different case -- north korea. that has been apparent they want to acquire nuclear weapons, and now they have done that, and they a

. >> in the early days, the clinton administration, we were still in the process of what is the national strategy because we won the cold war but we lost our adversary and when we lost our adversary, we lost our strategy. and so we were rutterless, we had the forces but what were we supposed to do with those forces? >> am i supposed to get involved in every one of these flare-ups, a determination back in the early '90s is that's not our issue. >> the united states is not the world's policeman. we cannot enter poinner pose to every armed conflict in the world. >> the united states set back with a human tragedy but i have no threat that's facing me if i don't solve this problem. by 1995, there had been three or four years of intensifying slaughter that was taking place in the balkins so the kes nated sa -- designated safe zones were created to take family members that might have been targets for ethnic cleansing to move into a safe zone. >> one of the safe zones was isolated east of syria. >> it was a location with bosnia and muslims could feel protected. there was a motivation to go there

in 1994, the clinton administration cut a deal with china to let them buy a special machine parts fromturing missiles and aircraft spread china quickly broke its terms on the deal and in return for surrendering a major economic and military advantage, america got nothing. it's a remarkable story and it's painful and fascinating. he wrote about that deal in his book which is outstanding called it goliath, the hundred year war between monopoly power and democracy. he joins us tonight. matt, thanks so much for coming on. i can't overstate how mesmerizing i found your account of this. it's just jaw-dropping. if every detail. it's infuriating. but some it out for us in a few minutes and we have heard what exactly happened here? >> that's a great question. my book is about america's monopoly problem and in the first half of the 20th century, we took on concentrated power and in the second half, this was a way of getting in context of the basic problem. we allowed concentration in markets all over the country, everything from search changes just ranges to baby formula. part of that was a deci

one example, in 1994 the clinton administration cut a deal with china to let them buy special machinering missiles and aircraft. china quickly broke its terms on the deal so in return for surrendering a major economic and military advantage, america got nothing. it's a remarkable story and it chronicles an painful and fascinating detail but not source, the fellow at the open markets institute, wrote about that deal in his book, which is outstanding, called goliath, the 100 year war between monopoly power and democracy. i can't overstate how mesmerizing i found your account of this. it was just jaw-dropping. you have every detail. sum it up for us in a few minutes that we have, what u exactly happens here? >> is a great question. so my book is about america's monopoly problem and in the first half of the 20th century, we took on concentrated power in the second half of the 20th century, this is the way of giving context to the basic problem. we allowed concentration in markets all over the country, everything from search engines to syringes to baby formula. part of that was a decision

if anything, for most of its tenure, they were more lax on immigration even than the clinton administration was, only towards the end did they tighten up. i have no idea what the internal dynamics were, but i suspect nobody even thought of issue, nobody brought it up under the bush administration. which really suggest, again this is a critical point, but where the -- political point -- where the political demand was for the current perspective that trump as a kid was offering, that the republican and democratic establishment basically a very similar perspectives perspective so they didn't get that much on immigration. any of the questions? do you guys have any final points you want to make? chris? >> no. [laughter] >> okay, good. i appreciate everybody's coming. again, the hard copies are in the back if you would like them. the reports themselves are on our website at cis.org, as was all the rest of her work in the video and transcript of this will be online within a few days as well. appreciate your coming and hope to see you at our next event. thank you. [inaudible conversations] [inaudib

than 300 other service veterans like enrique salas deported under a policy under the bill clinton administration, and a policy for anyone who commits what's known as an aggravated felony, a term that includes failure to show up in court, entering illegally or drug possession. >> it's a deportable act. >> even if he served as a veteran. >> yes. spokeswoman defended the policy in an interview with us two years ago. >> does that seem fair? >> we don't ask ourselves what is fair or not fair. we administer the law and that's what we're charged with and that's what we do. >> according to this report by the accountability office, the investigative arm, i.c.e. did not consistently follow its own policies. agents were unaware the policy each existed and some veterans that were removed may not have received the level of approval that is in cases involving veterans. >> i could hardly believe it. >> mike takano chairs the house veterans committee and requested this gao study. they don't follow their own procedures and they're supposed to be keeping account. >> your reaction to that? >> well, it was one of a

for most of its tenure, the bush administration were more lax on immigration even than the clinton administration was. only toward the end they tighten up. i have no idea what the internal dynamics were, but i expect nobody even thought of the issue, nobody even brought it up under the bush administration, which really suggests -- again, this is a political point, but where the political demand was for the kind of perspective that tromped as a candidate was offering, that the republican and democratic establishments basically had very similar perspectives, so they did not really differ that much on immigration. any other questions? you guys have any other final points you want to make? chris? >> no. >> ok, well, good. i appreciate everybody's coming. again, hard copies are in the back if you would like them. the reports themselves are on our website at cis.org, as was all the rest of our work. the video and transcript of this will be online within a few days as well. appreciate your coming and hope to see you at our next event. thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [

margaret: you did say the deal brokered under the clinton administration -- fmr. amb.e: that shows you how long ago it was. that is when i was sprightly young in my 30's. margaret: you look exactly the same. [laughter] margaret: so, what do you think that will actually need? you talk about this in the book, there have been many examples of times when you are hopeful about a policy initiative that would lead to more peace and less violence in other countries in the continent, and those hopes were tempered over time. what are your concerns about the lastings for real emergence of a more peaceful time between the two nations and what are the pitfalls? fmr. amb. rice: i'm hopeful the peace will sustain itself. i'm hopeful normalization will continue. there are many challenges within each of the countries. within ethiopia, there is still political repression even though he has made some progress in that regard. there are still political business. ethnic conflict. aneritrea, it has sustained autocratic government for almost 30 years. so, there is a long distance to go in eac

back where it was passed and have various concerns of being passed back then and then in the clinton administration. where they cross administrations and we would not have our business and the press would be in their business if there weren't folks were looking to say what was going on. >> i'm going to switch over to the side. >> hi, thank you guys for coming and i'm a part of the oversight project as well. i was curious as to what you guys thought were key issues that -- i know we spoke about it with the whistleblower before but other issues in the oversight community that we should be focusing on with reform or maybe just a little bit more support from media, congress or the general public. >> i think it would be really important that you -- let's just take the affordable care act of obamacare and i think there has been some ig reports on that so far. i'd also like them to make an assessment of how well it's working. i know that they think it's outside of your lane. >> not necessarily. >> okay, i think there should be for more -- this is a report how this -- >> about a big topic. larger than the

ambassador to ukraine during the clinton administration. thanks joining us.ooking at those text messages fr state department officials who do you seewho a clear concn of a quid pro quo? >> yes. the president hasaid there was no quid pro quo, but if you look the text messages that were exchanged among the three american ambassado, i ct seems pretar that they thought there was a of program because they were working to get the ukrainians to deliver a statement on corruption, and apparently had mr. giuliani's requested they mention things like a reasonable -- burisma, the company hunter biden was on the board of, and 2016. it would seem to be very helpful in getting president tmp to set a ecific date atr meeting with the ukrainian pdent zelensky and perhaps reasing the military assistance approved by congress. you mentioned to the ro of rudy giuliani. some have accused him of running a shadow state department in a sense. u were a former ambasasdor. how do you see his role?ol >> i see his role as very helpful. you have ambassador taylor on the ground who served as

reporter: we learns of 300 other veterans deported under a poli policy enacted during the bill clinton administration and implemented by every president since. a policy enabling deportation for anyone who committed what is known is an aggravated felony including crimes such as failure to show up in court or entering the country illegally and as in solace's drug possession. >> if you've been convicted of a certain defenses it is deportable. >> even if you've served as a veteran. >> that is right,yes. >>ol repory in an interview two years ago. >> is that fair. >> we don't ask what is fair or not fair, we are simply here to administer the law and that is what we are charged with and that is what we do. >> reporter: but according to this report by the government accountability office, the arm of congress, i.c.e. did not consistently follow its own policies involving veterans. in some cases agents were unaware of the policies even existed. and some veterans who were removed may not have received the level of review and approval that is appropriate for cases involving veterans. >> i couldn't hardly believe

the premises all friends relatives but what we then leave is evidence that you have for the clinton administration wanted to give an example of the best of the armed stuff and speaking about the role in the books before even the saudi government give up with just a little jamal khashoggi murder in a saudi consulate on al-jazeera october on al-jazeera. as the deadline of a type of authority fast gets closer stay with us for all the ninety's developments on breaks in. the hot sun will host a new series of interviews with outreach tackling the big issues about tone blogging does ex-pats and environmentalist will assemble in iceland to discuss the future of the optics faultlines just by taking a microscope to the most contentious issues facing america and look when coverage of the announcement of the 2019 nobel peace prize winner october amount to soon. didn't you astray for us to say that no child. we bring you the stories and developments that i might believe change. what i. see. counting the cost on al-jazeera. i am how my head c.n.n. doha the top stories on al-jazeera a memorial has been held to m

veterans who have been kicked out of the country under a policy first enacted under bill clinton's administrationi.c.e. has special procedures for handling immigrant veterans but this report by congressional investigators shows i.c.e. did not consistently follow its own policies when deporting veterans who are not citizens. nor does i.c.e. electronically track those vets either. according to the government accountability office or gao, i.c.e. did not consistently follow its own policies involving veterans. in some cases, agents were unaware the policies existed and some veterans removed may not have received the level of review and approval that is appropriate for cases involving veterans. >> they don't follow their own procedures. they're supposed to be keeping account and finding out who is a veteran, who wore the uniform for our country before they deport them. they don't follow their own internal policies. >> we discovered that that has had a severe impact on many u.s. veterans, leading to hardship, family separations, health problems and in at least one case, the death of a u.s. veteran. we

this statute back when it was passed about various concerns back then and was passed in the clinton administration. this has been an issue across administrati administrations. we wouldn't be in our business and the president wouldn't be in their business if there weren't folks willing to tell them what was going on. >> i'm going to switch over to this side. go ahead. >> hi, thank you guys for coming. my name is victoria kelly. i'm a part of the oversight project as well. i'm curious as to what you thought were key issues -- i know we spoke about whistle-blower reform, but other issues in the oversight community we should be focusing on might need reform or a little more support from media, congress, the general public. >> i think it would be really important that let's just take the affordable care act, obamacare. i think there have been some ig reports. i would also like them to make an assessment how well it's working and i know that you think that's outside your lane, don't you? >> not necessarily. >> i think there should be more -- this is a report to the people about how this -- >> about a bi

veterans who have been kicked out of the country under a policy first enacted under bill clinton administration. i.c.e. has special procedures for handling immigrant veterans but this report by congressional investigators shows that i.c.e. did not consistently follow its own policies when deporting veterans who are not citizens. nor does i.c.e. electronically track those vets either. according to the government accountability office or gao, i.c.e. did not consistently follow its own policy involving veterans. in some cases agents were unaware of the policies even existed. and some veterans who were removed may not have received the level of review and approval that is appropriate for cases involving veterans. >> they don't follow their own procedures. they're supposed to be keeping a count and finding out who is a veteran and who wore the uniform for our country before they deport them and they don't follow their own internal policies. >> repter:e discovered that that has had a severe impact on many u.s. veterans. leading to hardship, family separations, health problems and in at least one case

and robert, i know you served in very senior roles, advising the 0bama and clinton administrations onviewers could assume you aren't a fan of president trump. what you make of the current situation, though?” think it'sjust a the current situation, though?” think it's just a matter of seeing people who have supported president trump who are befuddled not so much by the decision to withdraw troops from syria, it is that he did nothing since december. his team did nothing since december. his team did nothing since december to prepare and then all of a sudden he announced it, it has to be done in com plete announced it, it has to be done in complete chaos and without any preparation, leading to the outcome that we see today. this outcome was predicted, predictable and avoidable. one particular thing, given the trump letter that has now emerged, how difficult is the pence pompeo mission? to a large extent the us has lost control of events in northern syria, it is now in the hands of turkey, syria and russia, which may now be able to broker some sort of arrangement because it has good size

he likes comey when he reopens the clinton administration.hen he gets into russia and he's pursuing the investigation, he doesn't like that. you see the fundamental clash between a political animal in trump and the non-partisan bureaucrat in comey. they were destined to have mortal combat. lou: you write about the entrenched republican enclave within the fbi. or enclaves as comey describes it to you when most of of us are focusing on the left-wing elements, whether it's strzok and page or mccabe at all. it is a bureau that is it seems more vulnerable and susceptible than any of us would have imagined previously to political corruption. animated in whether we follow your view of the deep state or anyone else's. it is a deeply troubled fbi. >> i think there is no question the fbi and the people tonight are in many ways a mirror of the society we live in. it is more polarized the same way america as a whole is probably more polarized. i have known fbi agents by entire reporting career. fbi agents are free to have whatever political beliefs they

but what you then leave is evidence that you have for the clinton administration wanted to give them all the stuff to speak in before even the saudi government just a. minor in a saudi consulate on al-jazeera. hello again you're watching al-jazeera reminder of our top stories this hour the hong kong government isn't acting emergency laws banning face masks at protests rallies chief executive says the ban shouldn't be mistaken for a state of emergency she's been unable to stop for months of increasingly violent demonstrations against our hong kong is 1. 44 people have died in 4 days of anti-government protests in security forces are using live fire to disperse those defying a curfew in baghdad. a new dam in ethiopia is threatening the supply of water to countries downstream representatives from sudan ethiopia and egypt are holding an emergency meeting in hard to discuss how the water can be shared. a state of emergency has been declared in ecuador protesters block 2 roads nationwide because of rising petrol prices that suddenly increased when the government scrapped 40 year old fuel s

it also eliminated e-mails around the time of the conference call between clinton's attorneys and the administrator of her server that led to the deletion of her e-mails. that limitation of scope defies reason. and lastly, the fbi agreed to destroy records and laptops of clinton's associates after reviewing them. that's an astonishing agreement in light of the fact that those records could have been relevant to ongoing congressional inquiries that the fbi knew about. secretary clinton's actions caused 588 security violations and highly classified information to be exposed to a nonclassified system. some of those violations were very deliberate, but that's the first that we've heard of it. the public ought to know. if those folks involved were punished according to the letter of the law, or were given special treatment. equal application of the law without regard to power, party, or privilege ought to be the norm. with what we know up to this point, the clinton investigation failed to hit its mark. i yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum. >> senate leaders mcconnell and schumer came to

rosenstein said, i think they mishandled the clinton Ãbhe mishandled the clinton administration. immediately perks up and says can you write me a memo to that effect. rosenstein writes a memo critically of the clinton's and hands it back to the white house. all of a sudden trump, who had already decided on his own to fire comey for reasons completely unrelated to the clinton's, grabs a memo and says, yes, this is the reason he must be fired in the white house press corps went out and said the justice department insisted comey be fired because of the way they handled Ãhe handled the clinton investigation. then trump called up rosenstein and said i want you to go out and do a press conference and say that you are the one who insisted that comey be fired because of the handling of the clinton thing. at this point rosenstein is in total shock. because he knew, this is completely false. it's not because of the clinton's that trump wanted to fire comey and it was not his idea to fire comey.and to his credit, he refused to do that. trump tried to get sessions depressions Ãbsessions to p

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they did not appear in the clinton administration before starr. he is directing witnesses not to answer questions he does not want the witness to answer if they are asked by republicans be he is not cut off one democrat. elizabeth: that is steve scalise referring to chifundo "mercy" . >> that is what he said, that is why this is a shameful day in house of representatives. i was one of those that was a major mover in clinton impeachment 20 years ago. ken starr appeared he was subject to questioning by the democrats and by the republica republicans. the clinton lawyers had a day to present a defense before the house voted articles of impeachment against president clinton. what is significant here is the house under the constitution is not a grand jury. people who are not on the three committees that were allowed into the scif, are not even allowed to hear the testimony. this is probably the most consequential and gravest vote that any member of the house of representatives will cast any time during their careers, shutting members who are not on thre

of state hillary clinton were somebody else from the national security council do you feel like you were thrown out there to >> i don't. in the first instance, i know the administration did ask and i asked secretary clinton if she would go on the show. they came to me after she declined and i assumed it was because she had an incredibly emotional exhausting weekend and didn't want to go out. they could have asked the national security advisor or other people but this post but they asked me to do and it was also ten days before the start of the general assembly. they were about the facilities and the upcoming general assembly meeting in iran. there were a bunch of issues that were beyond. but what i think was my mistake and i am quite candid about it in the book was my disposition and instinct i typically want to say yes. i didn't think that i was incapable of doing the job any differently than anybody else. they understood often in a crisis situation that is inevitably going to become politicized. we had a lot to cover in limited time. instead of becoming the secretary of state you had a graphic description of the job. most days the job seems infinite. the weight fee

so going back to the clinton administration as part of the balanced budget act of 1997, congress created a forum to bring more attention to prescription drug program under medicare. that was called the national bipartisan commission on the future of medicare. after years of work by that commission and research, that commission voted on three recommendations in 1999, including a prescription drug benefit. however, the recommendations failed to receive the mandated supermajority of members' votes, so no formal recommendations were ever submitted to congress because that was the rule of the commission. it had to be a supermajority of the members of the commission. facing mounting pressure from the public to act in anticipation of the 2000 election, all of the major presidential candidates presented plans. president bush suggested a new federal subsidy to help low-income beneficiaries purchase drug coverage through private insurance. vice president al gore, the democratic candidate, proposed a new voluntary benefit within medicare to protect chronically ill and low-income beneficiaries again

they did criminal justice reform, 30 years ago, and created mandatory minimums under the clinton administration, the states started to do mandatory minimums. now, we're seeing states doing the opposite. they're working on smart on crime policies. we're continuing to engage with the state leaders and doing things that will make communities safer and fair for all americans. >> speaking of being fair because there is some concerns. i know that the -- that the director of the bureau of prisons told lawmakers at a hearing last week, that the agency was fine-tuning the system. part of the first accept act includes the use of an algorithm to determine what programs would be best for rehabilitating inmates. critics say it reinforces bias by taking education level and past arrest records into the system. do you see that as a problem? >> no. one of the biggest reforms we worked on was the dynamic scoring for the risk needs assessment system. the system is going to be finalized -- the first part of it. in the past, we haven't done a lot of great work on evidence-based research wheenn comes to recidivism r

it also eliminated e-mails around the time of the conference call between clinton's attorneys and the administrator of her server that led to the deletion of e-mails. that scope defies reason. and lastly the fbi agreed to destroy records andnd laptop laptops, clinton's associates after reviewing them. and in light of those records could have been relevant to ongoing congressional inquiries that the fbi knew about. secretary clinton's actions caused 588 security violations and highly classified information to be exposed to a non- classified system. some of those were very deliberate that that is the first we heard of it. the public ought to know if they were punished according to the letter of the law were given special treatment. equal application without regard to power or party or privilege ought to be the norm. and what we know up to this point the clinton investigation failed to hit its mark. i suggest the absence of a quorum. she graduated from florida state university and earned her law degree from lake forest. serving in a north carolina state senate 1989 until january 2009 when she became a

in the first instance i know the administration did ask secretary clinton for go they came to me after she declined and i was led to believe because she had exhausting week and tiring and didn't want to go out. they could've asked the national security adviser or other people that this is what they had asked me to do before and i had. 's also ten days before the start of the human general assembly. that sunday was not just benghazi that attacks around the world, the upcoming un general assembly meeting in iran come in prime minister netanyahu, there were a bunch of issues beyond that gauzy that was in my wheelhouse. but was my mistake that my disposition and my instinct that the leader of the team which was the white house asked me to do something i didn't think i was incapable to do the job any differently than anybody else so i said yes. what i realized subsequently is may be other colleagues were keeping their heads down because they understood often in a crisis situation it inevitably will become politicized and the messenger is attacked. i learned that the hard way. >> we had very

in the first instance, you know the administration did ask and i write about this secretary clinton issuedw. they came to me after she declined and i assumed and was led to believe she declined because she had had an incredibly emotional exhausting weekend and didn't want to go out. you know, they could have asked the national security advisor or other people but this is the sort of thing they had asked me too do before and i had done before. it was also 10 days before the start of the un general assembly and the issues that sunday were not just about benghazi, but the tax on our facilities around the world, the upcoming un general assembly meeting, iran and prime minister and at yahoo israel visit to the un so there were a bunch of issues beyond benghazi which were in my so-called wheelhouse, but what i think was my mistake and i'm quite candid about it in the book was my disposition, my instinct is when i'm on a team and the leader of the team, in this case the white house, asks me too do something i typically want to say yes. and the cow's was incapable of doing the job any differently

the last time they did reform 30 years ago and created mandatory minimums under the clinton administrationthey the state started to do minimums. we're seeing states doing the opposite. working on smart on crime, policies. and we're continuing to engage with the state leaders and doing things that will make communities safer and fairer for all americans. >> speak of being fair. there is some concern. the director of bureau of prisons told lawmakers last week lt agency was fine tuning the system. the use of an al grit m. the system reenforces racial bias by take lg education level, past arrest records into consideration. do you see that as a problem? >> is that part of the fine tuning? >> one ocht biggest reforms we worked on for the legislation was dynamic for the risk and needs assessment system. there's work to be done. and the risk and needs assessment system will be finalized. the first part of it. in the past we haven't don't done a lot of work on evidence based research. so it is going to take time. we're committed to making sure we do something that's fair and accounts for social eco

it eiteration a people like chuck schumer and steny hoyer voting for the law, and then the clinton administration put in rule to follow and the bush administration did not put out a rule and the obama administration did not put out a rule, and we have done that. it is complicated in part because of the growing complexity of the modern welfare state. and being a public charge in 1882 meant something very, very different than today. today it is somebody who is likely to go on welfare under the rule, and back then it was a burden on the community organizations that carried the load of the social safety net of the time, and it is the same legal tradition, but very different ways that the burden can land on us. so, to a certain extent, we intend it to send the message of we expect family employment and it does not apply to the refugees and the asylees and so forth, and it is going to have an impact when we work through the court cases however long it may take. but it is telling to see some of the language of some of the judges. it reads more like, a hotly written op-ed by a political activist than a l

also by african-american mayors across this country and by the clinton administration, which was friendlyn-american community. so now -- >> and the congressional black caucus, many of the congressional black caucus, i might add was fighting on this. but go ahead. >> absolutely. not to excuse it. i think that people did then what they knew to do, in the words of maya angelou, now they know better, they should do better. that's what you're seeing from vice president biden. vice president biden will see to eliminate cash bail bonds at the federal system. you heard him say the reality is this, though. 90% of people who are incarcerated are incarcerated at the state level. but vice president biden will eliminate mandatory miuslim at the federal level. we've talked about this when i joined you previously. my father's incarceration, my father was major lance a well-known singer who was incarcerated and sentenced to ten years in prison for distributing cocaine in 1978. those are state charges. thankfully he only served three, but i can tell you my family was broken after my father's incarceration

at this point, you know, there's a pretty good lesson that a clinton administration person said me the other day. when you get caught up in one of these presidential scandals, the facts tend to get worse, not better. >> so susan, we said, this was about a phone call using plain language that people could get. well, look what's happened in the last 48 hours. this is as dense and complicated as portions of the mueller report. we see the president's strategy kind of say something patently outrageous and then today double down on it still. >> such a contrast to the whole two-year experience with the mueller investigation and its report. one difference is the president, president trump spend two or three years saying no collusion with russia. no collusion. no obstruction. and although some disagreed that was what the mueller report concluded, it pretty much carried the day. now we have the president saying, yeah, i colluded. yeah, i spoke to ukraine. i was right to do so. i was talking about corruption. and this is, this is what has propelled this story with such velocity we haven't even hi

plus if you look at durham, he's had these kinds of investigations under the clinton administration, the obama administration. he's got a history of getting to the bottom of things and also of justice requires it, closing cases without charges. i don't understand the attack on him. i particularly don't understand the attack on barr. andrew mccabe was investigated by the obama administration appointed inspector general, michael horowitz. horowitz referred comey, james comey i should say, not just mccabe but comey, horowitz referred comey to the barr justice department. speebarr said maybe there's a technical violation but it doesn'tosecution. what basis do they have to say that barr is not going to do his job properly? >> charles: it's intriguing that schiff would say it's an investigation of president trump's opponents in the sense that i thought it was an investigation of the investigators. the intelligence community and the hierarchy they are which obviously had a bias against candidate trump. i think the american people do want to know the origins of the fisa document and the orig

the clinton administration put a temporary memo in place that said, role to follow. well, the rule never followed. the bush administration did not put out a rule. the obama administration did not put out a role, so we have done that. it is complicated in part because of the growing complexity of the modern welfare state. being a public charge in 1882 meant something very different than it means today. today, it means someone like me to go on welfare, and the way we talked about the role. back then, it really meant becoming a burden on the community organizations that carried the load of the social safety net. and it is the same legal tradition, but very different ways that the burden can land on us, so to a certain extent we intended to send the message that we expects self sufficiency among family and employment immigrants. it is not apply in the humanitarian space or to refugees and so forth and it will have an impact we work our way through these court cases, however long it may t >> no, the president was having some discussions with members of congress, i guess l

he -- yes he was in a in clinton administration where i knew him.outh florida, he was in washington with criminal division, prior to that prosecutor in manhattan, same offers tha officer that co. this -- there is a lot of people who know each other. fascinating and i do think horowitz by looking at his prior reports, i tell you, this thing will be tough, tough, tough. trish: all right, americans deserve the truth. guy, it has been good to see you, thank you so much, sir. >> a lot more coming up this week, gosh tomorrow already friday? tomorrow night former trump 2016 campaign adviser george papadopoulos. a biggie because. with the ig report, i don't believe george was interviewed. he may have something to say on that, he could shed more light. i am looking forward to seeing kennedy, she has an interesting guest who seems to think that hillary clinton might really be running again. glutton for punishment? kennedy begins right now. see you tomorrow. kennedy: run hillary run! i have been doing it whole time, thank you, trish. is hillary clinton going t

you think about during president clinton's administration, we thought things were acrimonious, partisan. those are the good old days. things have progressively gotten more acrimonious. whether you can blame redistricting, you can blame it on the different media structure. you can blame it on the sorting out. you use to conservative moderate democrats that were the ballast. you have liberal moderate republicans that cap to the republican party from going. there was an overlapping. there is no overlapping now. zero. the parties are more ideological cohesive. as a result, they are becoming more ideological and primaries are getting further out there. the kinds of people that build consensus, that compromise, that the system is based on, those people are generally not winning primaries. they are the first people over the side. for the life of me, i don't know why members of the house, why they want their party to win the presidency. when most members of the house lose reelection, it is when their party has the presidency. usually a midterm election. they get blown away. the wave comes in. t

and could you imagine lindsey graham acceding to demands from the clinton administration or trey gowdyrom the obama administration? so this is political theater. that's one. the second thing is our objective is in necessity, is that we go through this carefully and develop the evidence before we reach conclusions, and that's the methodical approach we're trying to take in the intelligence committee and of course oversight and foreign affairs because ultimately in addition to congress voting, this is going to be -- this is going to be something the american people have to participate in. and the more we get the evidence out to them and the more, by the way, the press helps get the evidence out to them, the more they get involved and start influencing their members of congress. so, no, here's the bottom line to the president. he does not have the right to establish the rules by which we proceed in the house of representatives. >> okay. i get you. so the u.s. ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland, has been subpoenaed to testify next wednesday after the white house abruptly blocked today's

attorney deputy assistant attorney general during the clinton administration, harry lipman. natasha, is that the example we're seeing from pompeo, how this white house plans on fighting impeachment? >> it seems that way, but the house has had that part of its impeachment articles if they wintd wind up drawing these, will be obstruction of congress, so many many ways, the trump administration is is just helping and giving more fodder to the democrats to pursue this wide ranging impeachment inquiry. one of the buckets of course will be trump's solicitation of interference in the 2020 election by a foreign government, that being ukraine. the other bucket being this wide ranging pattern of obstruction by the white house to congressional sub pepoenas and documents request. >> let's bring in peter baker who's joining us. also the co-author of the book, impeachment. that book is on my bedside table. my husband and i have been pass ing it back and forth. this white house, what's their plan for pushing back against impeachment? do they plan on trying not to cooperate and why from you

under president bill clinton's administration minyon served as assistant to the president and director of white house political affairs, in this capacity she served as the principal political adviser to the president, vice president, first lady and senior white house staff with primary responsibility for planning out reach and directing the political activities of the white house. she also developed and coordinated legislative strategy, administration policy and communication's planning with senior white house staff. as ceo of the democratic national committee, dnc, responsible for day-to-day operations and oversight of the political, the democratic party, minon serves as member of the board of directors for writers gill foundation, ncnw and is a board member and coconvener of power rising summit, named one of the 100 most powerful women in washington by magazine. kennedy school of government and in 2018 she was awarded the american association of political consultants aapc, lifetime achievement award and has been inducted in the aapc hall of fame. and that's it. [laughter] >> that was

a lot of tough questioning, two of the panel members are apby democrats, one was from the clinton administration and another by pres. orsenior, it is hard to say which they will go. there will be a lot of skepticism. >> did you get a sense of when it comes to the migrant protection protocol that the judges did show skepticism of the government not asking asylum-seekers whether they fear returning to mexico as they wait for the hearing dates in the states? >> i really felt one of the judges, judge fletcher, scolded the trump administration for not asking migrants if they are afraid to return to mexico but it does not necessarily mean the ninth circuit will shut it down, there is a question here on whether they will stop it completely allowing people to come and seek asylum which is what advocates want, or, if they will merely have them ask the question that came up in the earlier decision by the ninth to let the program go forward it is hard to say which way this will go>> we talk about the ninth circuit out here criticized often by president trump in the past as well as others across the country