then i had clive ferguson when i left rutgers to become dean of the howard law school. rutgers tried to replace him with another african-american man so the next best thing is how i got my first teaching job. the dean was very good. he said you know, it is a state university will have to take a cut in salary. so i asked how much and the answer is he has a wife and two children to support. so let with other women at the campus title seven was not on the books until the year after but there was the equal pay act the very year. so the women got together to brought the equal pay case which after many years was settled. and every woman guy a substantial raise a think 6,000 was the lowest. and that was real money. >> host: and that experience focused on gender equality cases after you started teaching? >> i did not set my own agenda at all. there were two forces operating. with the students wanted to have a course i thought it was the pretty good idea i went to the library and read every federal decision today means precious little. and then the coming to the aclu and schoolt