miler's arrival but with the timing of the tribunal actions that clive goodman and glenn mulkhair were planning and that bedding the question why these six individuals were named in there. do you know the reason why it was limited to these six individuals? >> why it was limited to those six individuals i don't know. i wasn't there at the time and i can't tell you the circumstances, the conversations that people had or the terms of reference of that, but it was viewed that that was something that would be -- it had been viewed after the fact, that that was -- had been a thorough look at information and based on that review that opinion was issued. >> neville is one that immediately jumps out. >> again, in hindsight you can say, we can all say if somebody had looked at this or if somebody had known something that wasn't known yet at the time, but i can't comment on why the terms and why the scope was what it was. >> the proceedings by goodman and mulkhair for unfair dismissal, notwithstanding their criminal convictions, clearly never saw the light of day because they were settled beforeh

going back to the trial of glenn mulkhair and clive goodman, clive goodman, was pleading guilty to a criminal offense. did news international pay clive goodman's legal fees for his trial? >> i was not -- i do want to be clear with the chronology. first of all, i do not have firsthand knowledge of those times. remember, that my involvement in these matters started in 2008. in 2007-, up until december i ws totally focused as chief executive of a public company. >> who would know. >> but i can try to answer the first question first. it is customary with employees or with other -- with litigation to pay some set of legal expenses on behalf of those to try to bring all of the evidence to a court and so on, and that's all been done in accordance with -- since any involvement that i've had any knowledge of this in accordance with legal advice about what the proper way to do things was. but i can speak to the 2007 arrangements. i don't have firsthand knowledge of those. >> i'll try to help out. clive goodman employed the services of a qc called john kelsey frye. i don't know if he's a lawyer

were any payments made subsequently to clive goodman? did news international make payments to the two peoples following their trial? >> that is a good question and it is specific. to my knowledge, upon asking, because the allegations made them legal fees have been paid after that time in 2007-2008, i asked the question and i was very surprised to find that company had made certain contributions to legal settlements. i do not have the details -- and not legal settlements, but legal fees. i was surprised. i was very surprised to find out that had occurred. they were done, as i understand it, in accordance with legal counsel on the strong advice. >> who at news international agreed? who signed the checks? who agreed to make those payments? >> i do not know here. >> to talk about the managing editor, would it have been his decision? >> i am happy to go back and look at it, but it is not something that came to my attention. >> this would certainly not having to do with the management. >> it would be below the managing editor? >> this would ha

in the arrest of clive goodman, which you said earlier on you were aware of the situation when clive goodman was sent to prison and you were at the case of that stage. in the years after that where there were numerous reports, investigations, hearings of this committee. we heard a lot about them today. did any senior politicians you were in contact with during that period raised this as an issue with you? >> absolutely never. the politician i met motor in those days was mr. brown when he was chancellor. his wife and my wife struck up quite a friendship, and our children played together on many occasions. i'm very sorry that i'm no longer -- i felt he had great values, which i shared with him. i'm sorry that we've come apart, and i hope one day we can put it together again. >> rupert, you said in your interview you gave to the "wall street journal" you thought that your fellow executives for the news corporation had handled this crisis very well with just a few minor mistakes. do you stand by that statement, or do you believe the level of mistakes was far greater than that? >> they see

chairman. >> who as well as clive goodman was involved in phone hacking in "the news of the world"?as i think you made it clear earlier, mr. chairman that there are a number -- there have been a number of arrests of former "news of the world" employees. these are matters for current criminal investigations and i think it's understandably difficult for me to comment in particular around some of those individuals. >> have you carried out your own investigation since the discovery of this information to find out the extent of involvement of phone hacking in "news of the world"? >> we have -- we have established -- we have established a group in the company cooperating very closely with the police on their investigation. their investigation is broad with respect to journalistic practices and in particular journalistic practices at "the news of the world," and the policy and the direction that the company has given them is to cooperate fully and transparently with the police to provide information and evidence that the company believes and they believe is relevant to those investigations

, clive goodman was pleading guilty to a criminal offense. did news international pay clive goodman's legal fees for his trial? >> i do want to be clear the chronology, first of all, i did not have firsthand knowledge of that... those times. remember, my involvement in these matters started in 2008 and in 2007, i believe, december, i was wholly focused in my role as chief executive of a public company and i wasn't involved in those things. >> who would know? >> but i can try to answer the first question, first. to say that it is customary in certain instances with employees, or with others in the litigation, to pay some set of legal expenses, on behalf of of those to try to bring all of the evidence to a court, and so on, and that has all been done in accordance with... since any involvement that i have had any knowledge, is in accordance with legal advice about what the proper way to do things was, but i cannot speak to the 2007 arrangements. i don't have first hand knowledge of that. >> clive goodman employed the service of a qc, john kelse

commenting specifically about individuals or allegations. >> do you satisfy yourself as to what clive goodman was alleging in discussions and negotiations that led up to the sentiment that bought tribunal proceedings against them. have you satisfied yourself? >> i am not aware of allegations at the time. a nasty goodman come again in 2000 for every spare, it is manders handing that is what harper and lewis were helping to do with them that opinion to satisfy the current me and the company arrested on that opinion for a period of time. >> i think you'd like to take the opportunity to resolve this matter as an accurate portrayal of what went on. >> i think it is something -- i'm glad you asked because it is a key bit of outside legal advice and senior counsel that was provided to the company that he rested on. i think it goes some distance in explaining actually why it has taken a lot of time for new information -- they think it's important -- it was one of the bases for which people sort of push back the company made against new allegations. it was one of the pillars of the environment around

going back to the try of clive goodman, clive goodman was pleading guilty to phone hacking, a criminalnews international pay clive goodman's legal fees for his trial? >> i was not -- i do want to be clear about the chronology, first of all. i did not have firsthand knowledge of those times. remember that my involvement is matters -- it it started in 2008, and in 2007 at the beginning of december i was wholly focused in my role as chief executive of a public company, and i wasn't involved in those things. >> who would know? >> i can try to answer the first question first to say that it is customary in certain instances with employees or with other -- with litigations to pay some set of legal expenses on behalf of those to try to bring all of the evidence to a court and so on. that's all been done in accordance with -- since any involvement that i've had knowledge of this in accordance with legal advice about what the proper way to do things was, but i can't speak to the 2007 arrangements. i don't have firsthand knowledge of those. >> i'll try to help out. clive goodman employed the serv

commenting specifically about individuals or allegations. >> do you satisfy yourself as to what clive goodman was alleging in discussions and negotiations that led up to the sentiment that bought tribunal proceedings against them. have you satisfied yourself? >> i am not aware of allegations at the time. a nasty goodman come again in 2000 for every spare, it is manders handing that is what harper and lewis were helping to do with them that opinion to satisfy the current me and the company arrested on that opinion for a period of time. >> i think you'd like to take the opportunity to resolve this matter as an accurate portrayal of what went on. >> i think it is something -- i'm glad you asked because it is a key bit of outside legal advice and senior counsel that was provided to the company that he rested on. i think it goes some distance in explaining actually why it has taken a lot of time for new information -- they think it's important -- it was one of the bases for which people sort of push back the company made against new allegations. it was one of the pillars of the environment around

one that you were aware of the situation when clive goodman was sent to prison. and you were there at that stage. in the years after that when there were numerous reports, investigations, hears from this committee, we've heard a lot about them today, can any senior politicians that you were in contact with during that period of time raise this as an issue with you, raise concerns about phone hacking. >> absolutely never. the people i met most in those days was mr. brown when he was chancellor, his wife, we struck up a friendship and our children played together on many occasions. and i'm very sorry that i'm no longer -- i thought he had great values, which i shared with him, and i'm sorry that they've come apart and i hope one day we'll be able to mutt it together putr again. >> you said in your statement to the "wall street journal" that you thought your fellow executives at the "news of the world" had handled the crisis very well with a few minor mistakes. do you stand by the statement or do you believe that the level of mistakes were far greater than that. >>

this began with the imprisonment for years ago of editor clive goodman. >> i made a statement yesterday. with judicial restraints, i can make no more at the moment. >> it is his reams of notes of private phone numbers that have fueled this saga, that and the mounting anger of mps who alleged the police simply did not want to investigate what he had done. rupert murdoch issued a statement describing what had happened as deplorable and unacceptable, stating the company must fully cooperate with the police, and adding that would happen under rebecca brooks's leadership. murdoch's enemies have long claimed that whoever is in power, he is the puppet master. tonight, no one knows how this extraordinary drama will and. nick robinson, bbc news, westminster. >> for more on this extraordinary drama, i spoke to a bbc reporter in london. i asked about bribes to london police officers. >> it seems every hour a new revelation has come about. we have even been told to be braced for worse revelations. but surely it has been those in the last couple of days which have really shocked mps and the public,

another former editor, clive goodman, was arrested, too, after allegations he bribed police.o farrah beck ca brooks, a former editor turned senior executive, hasn't been investigated, even though she told a parliamentary committee that... >> we have paid the police for information in the past. >> reporter: now public opinion has turned sharply against the paper's owner, rupert murdoch, one of the world's most powerful media tycoons. he bought "the news of the world" back in 1969 and made it the cornerstone of an empire that now includes fox news and the "wall street journal." simon hoggart is a columnist for "the guardian." his newspaper has been investigating the scandal for years, and he says murdoch is facing an enormous backlash. >> now it's just loathing for the guy. >> reporter: the murdochs moved fast to close down "the news of the world" this week, but it's much easier to stop the presses than to repair a reputation tainted by lying and deceit. authorities announced a short time ago that they now arrested a third person in this scandal, a 63-year-old man, although we

2007, he told members of a british parliamentary committee he believed only one journalist- - clive goodman-- have been involved in any wrongdoing. >> the police obviously carried out pretty thorough investigations and the result of their investigation was against clive and the private detective. clive went to prison, the "news of the world" paid a substantial amount to charities nominated by prince harry and prince william. >> reporter: jeff jarvis worked for hinton and knows his management style. >> les hinton, i think, was also a very, very loyal executive. and in the end he threw himself on the sword for murdoch. >> reporter: now, as liz palmer just reported, at least nine journalists are being investigated. as for les hinton, in his resignation letter to rupert murdoch, he said he was ignorant of what happened but felt he had to resign anyway. >> pelley: thanks, elaine. for the first time in six days, there was no meeting at the white house today among the leadership trying to find a way to head off a u.s. government default. the president tried one more time today to persuade republic

this all began with imprisonment four years ago of the news of the world's royal editor, clive goodman, imprisoned to this man, the private investigator glen mulkare. >> yesterday, due to constraints, unfortunately, at this stage, i can make no more at the moment. >> it is reams of notes of private phone numbers that have fueled this saga. that and the mounting anger of m.p.'s who allege that the police simply did not want to investigate what he'd done. tonight, runert murdoch issued a statement describing what had happened as deplorable and unacceptable. stating that our company must fully and proactively cooperate with the police. and adding that that would happen under rebecca brooks' leadership. that is clear backing for news international's chief executive. even though she was editor of the news of the world at the time of the alleged hacking of mini dowler and the families. today, company executives say they knew who sanctioned that. she apparently was away at the time. murdoch's enemies have long claimed that whoever's in power, he is the real puppet master. tonight, he, they, n

it was inconceivable clive goodman was a road reporter hadn't been passed on with the e-mail for alle chief executive of news international when that report was published did you read the report? >> yes i did. i am not saying i read -- i read a large majority of it. i particularly read the criticisms that were addressed to the company. i can only hope from the evidence you heard today that we have really stepped up our investigation. rupert and james murdoch have been open and honest with you as a committee. i was very willing to come despite that and if there are legal issues. i hope you think when we saw the disclosure in december of 2010 we acted swiftly and promptly to deal with it. the police investigation would not be open now or criminal inquiry that hasn't seen information that news international handed over. i am not saying we have the same stake but the metropolitan police, you heard last week and the committee heard last week they repeatedly said there is no need for further criminal investigation. i think everyone involved in 2007 would say now that the mistakes were made

. >> reporter: police also arrested clive goodman, a former top news of the world reporter. more arrests could be coming, with allegations the paper didn't just hack the phones of celebrities and royals but crime victims and fallen soldiers. trying to contain the fallout, the prime minister announced two separate probes. and he promised tighter rules for britain's free-for-all press. >> mr. murdoch. >> reporter: rupert murdoch sits on top of the media empire that runs the media world. as well as wall street journal and fox. >> reporter: news of the world has been the primary news for britain for 168 years. but people we spoke with say it was time for the murdoch family to pull the plug. >> unbelievable that something like this has been going on for so long. >> i'm glad they closed down the paper. >> reporter: some media watchers believe the shutdown is calculated because murdoch is trying to secure a major deal to take over british sky broadcasting. if the deal is blocked, it could cost him bill whereons. -- billions. >> the final day of publication for the news of the world

. >> reporter: police also arrested clive goodman, a former top news of the world reporter. more arrests could be coming with allegations the paper didn't just hack the phones of celebrities and royals but crime victims and fallen soldiers. trying to contain the fallout, the prime minister announced two separate probes and promised tighter rules for britain's free-for-all press. >> mr. murdoch? >> rupert murdoch sits on top of the media enterprise that runs news of the world. >> reporter: the news of the world has been an institution in britain for 168 years. but the people we spoke to say it was time for the murdoch family to pull the plug. >> unbelievable that something like this has been going on for so long. >> yeah. i'm glad news of the world is now closing down their paper. >> reporter: some media watchers believe the shutdown is calculated. because murdoch is trying to secure a major deal to take over british sky broadcasting. if the deal is blocked, it could cost him billions. rita nissan, wjz eyewitness news. >> reporter: investors have reacted to the scandal scares

today as rival newspapers put their own spin on the news, police arrested a former editor clive goodman and another unnamed person who was later reported to buy former editor andy colson who is a former aide to prime minister david cameron. this morning cameron announcing a full public inquiry boo the allegations. >> police investigations can only get you so far. what people really want to know is what happened and how is it allowed to happen. that is why the deputy prime minister and i have agreed that it's right and proper to establish a full, public inquiry to get to the bottom of what happened. >> we're in london and there's a report here, michelle, today that another newspaper is also being investigated? >> that's part of it. it's just in the reported stage right now. we don't have confirmation of that from police. this is a couple of days after these terrible phone hacking allegations exploded once again in britain one day after the news of the world announced it will cease to exist. these two former employees have been arrested. one used to be the editor and then later was hired

back to coulson, while at "news of the world," he employed a royal's reporters named clive goodman whoarcair, scotland yard arrested goodman, marcair, coulson, and brooks, but paul stevenson resigned yesterday in part because he hired neal wallace as a pr consultant who used to work at "news of the world" under coulson. now john yates, number two at scotland yard stepped down today because he refused to open the hacking scandal two years ago, he also has ties to neal wallace. stephanie, we've tried to put that together as best we can, give us more on this tangled web in britain. >> chris, it's not easy and people will look at that and go huh? it is very confusing, this has been a mind-bending story because news corp. and its influence in this country is wide spread and we're now seeing that. this has been an unbelievable 36 hours where you have the top two men in charge of scotland yard resigning, rebekah brooks getting arrested, now this strange news of this journalist who has shown up dead, and what you are seeing right now is the affect of this web on various facets of society here

a royals reporter named clive goodman hired a private investigator to hack the phones of aides to the scotland yard ran the investigation into the hacking and arrested goodman, coolson and brooks. paul stevenson, top man at scotland yard resigned yesterday in part because he hired neil wallace as a pr consultant. wallace used to work at news of the world. john yates, number two stepped down yesterday because he refused to reopen the hacking scandal investigation a few years ago. he also has ties to neil wallace. >>> stephanie gosk, we tried to put this together the best we can. tell us more on the tangled web of britain. >> yes, it's not easy. people will look that and go, huh? it's been a mind db-bending story and that's because this is widespread. we are seeing that. this has been an unbelievable 37 hours where you have the top two men in charge of scotland yard resigning. rebekah brooks one of the murdoch's most trusted executives getting arrested and this news journalist has showed up dead. what you are seeing right now is the affect of this web on various facets of society here i

believe that the only person at the news of the world who had been implicated in phone hacking was clive goodman? >> i think if you -- just the sequence of events. in 2009 i think was the first time that all of us -- and i know some members of the committee spent a long time on this story and looking at the whole sequence of events. so i know you all know it pretty well. just to reiterate in 2009 when we heard about when the gordon taylor story appeared in the guardian, i think that that's when information unravelled. but very, very slowly. i mean, we have conducted many internal investigations. i know you spent a lot of time talking to james and rupert murdoch about them. but we had been told by people at the news of the world at the time that consistently denied any of these allegations in various internal investigations. it was only when we saw the sienna miller documentation that we realized that the severity of the situation. and just to point out one of the problems of this case has been our lack of visibility and what was seized -- we've had zero visibility. part of the drip drip effect o

and i think the same for clive goodman. on glen mullclaire, i think it was when his legal fees would be paid when he was a codefendant in these civil cases. >> are you aware of any payment to police officers? >> no. >> none. >> i'd like to ask some questions about the dowda case. you were editor of news of the world during the period of the abduction and subsequent murder. just could you just paint a picture for us about how a newspaper like news of the world goes about reporting on such a big story? what the level of the editor, deputy editor, senior reporters would be in putting together and overseeing the story? >> i think any big story. forrer the purpose of process most stories start out with the reporter. and that reporter may be being asked by the news editor to go and investigate a story or they may have brought information about a story from their own contacts to the news editor. it is at that stage in a newspaper where the reporter and news editor discuss the voracity of the information, go out and check the alleg

another police station police pulled in the former royal correspondent of the news of the world clive goodman who served a four month sentence for phone hacking. this time they were requesting him on suspicion of making illegal payments to police officers. they will said to be even more concerned about a massive delusion of data belonging to news international which they think they will never be able to retrieve. >> that report was by correspondent itn correspondent garee gibon. ray suarez takes it from there. >> suarez: for more >> suarez: for more we turn to: richard adams, a correspondent for "the guardian," a british newspaper not part of rupert murdoch's news corp. "the guardian" has broken many of the stories uncovering the hacking scandal. and sarah ellison, who's covered this story for "vanity fair" magazine. she's a former "wall street journal" reporter, and author of the book, "war at 'the wall street journal'" about murdoch's purchase of the paper in 2007. richard saddams andy colson was already connected with the hacking scandal at the news of the world. how did he end up working

the news of the world," on matters related to the legal fees are paid and i think the same for clive goodman. i think it was when she was a co-dependent in these cases. >> okay, are you aware of any payment they haven't brought forth? >> note. no. >> thank you, chairman. i'd like to ask about iraq. during the period of production. i've got some specific questions, but could you just paint a picture of this is how he goes about reporting on such a good story, with the level of editors and dingell reports would be and have you seen a story like that? >> i think it's any big story start out with a reporter and i would report bbb announced by the investigative jury where they may have brought information about the right context of the news editor. it is at that stage of the newspaper where the reporter knew the variety of information go out and check the allegation and come back. you can imagine every news aper gets a lot of information and only a percentage come a very small percentage make a vacation. are many layers who are consistent news editor to news editor. finally the story will coach t

in 2006, august, metropolitan police arrested "the news of the world's" correspondent clive goodman.rivate investigator glenn molcave. no one was implicated and the british police faced criticism for their inquirinquiry. "the news of the world"'s editor resigns. in july of 2007 and they appointed media advisor to the then leader of the opposition, david cameron, the prime minister. in 2009, the guardian revealed senior staff from "news of the world" knew that reporters were illegally hacking messages. sienna miller and star hugh grant. but london's metropolitan police chose not to relaunch their investigation. focus in on two people, prime minister david cameron with the phone hacking allegationings to start when the investigation is over and the other looking at newspaper ethics. the criticism for the decision to hire. and he was the former "news of the world" editor whom mr. cameron took on a's his communications chief. he resigned from that post in january of 2011 and was arrested over these latest revelations. journalism, politics, the country's police. the phone hacking scandal

clive goodman once the paper's royal editor, another man believed to be a private investigator and andy colson who became the british prime minister's press adviser, he was allowed to go home again after questioning. >> there's an awful lot i'd like to say but i can't. >> reporter: the "news of the world's o hat will be another very, very difficult moment for the company. >> reporter: back in 2005, prince william's aides realized that "the news of the world" must have learned some personal details by hacking into his voice mails. slowly it emerged that other celebrities had been hit, but the larger investigation stalled. yesterday britain's prime minister said it wasn't just foot dragging by the police. >> the truth is, to coin a phrase, we've all been in this together, the press, the politicians and leaders of all the passes, yes, including me. >> reporter: while "the news of the world" will print its last edition tomorrow, the fallout from this affair has just begun. on the business side, a multibillion-dollar takeover bid by the murdoch family of a huge satellite television operation

agreement that all matters relating to this, his legal fees were paid, and i think the same for clive goodman. on glenn mulcaire, i think his legal fees would be paid when in fact he was a co-defendant in the civil cases. >> okay. just finally, are you aware of any payment to police officers? >> no. >> okay. thank you. >> i would like to ask questions about the milly dowler case in particular. just for the record, you were editor of "news of the world" during the period of milly dowler's abduction. >> correct. >> just could you, of course, i have specific questions i would like to ask you about this, but could you just paint a picture for us about how a newspaper like "news of the world" goes about reporting on such a big story, what the level of the editor, deputy editor, senior reporters, would be in putting together a story like that? >> i think any big story, but for the purpose of process, most stories start out with the reporter and that reporter may be being asked by the news editor to go and investigate a story or they may have brought information about a story from their own contacts

>> yes, hopefully, already one "news of the world" reporter clive goodman, who was their royal correspondenttime over this as did a private detective, glen mulca e mulcaire, who was in the pay of the "news of the world." but yes, it's a criminal offense and they could go to prison for this. >> dan rivers in london, thank you. >> keep following it with you. >>> half past the hour. checking out our top stories we should know within minutes now if weather will permit history to be made in just a few hours. nasa just tweeting the shuttle "atlantis" will lift off as scheduled, 11:26 eastern time on the final mission of the shuttle program. just seconds ago getting this tweet after 30 years in space, this will be the final liftoff. >>> tragedy at a ballpark in arlington. a fan of texas rangers game falling to his death after reaching for a ball, going head first over the railing 20 feet down. it is the second fatal fall at a major league ballpark this season. >> so hard to watch. >>> embattled italian prime minister silvio berlusconi says he will not be running for re-election in 2013. he's fighti