republicans who all once defended cliven bundy can't run away fast enough. bundy doesn't seem eager to go away though. after doubling down yesterday on the comments that maybe african-americans were better off as slaves, he moved even further down the rabbit hole. he said that martin luther king jr. has been on his mind a lot lately. >> maybe i sinned. maybe i need to ask for forgiveness, and maybe i don't know what i actually said, but, you know, when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think and our feelings. i say negro or black boy or slave. i'm not -- if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive, then martin luther king hasn't got his job done yet. i should be able to say those thinged and she shouldn't offend anybody. >> are black people better off as slaves, why should they offend anyone? the drama raises tough questions. why are people like bundy attracted to the conservative movement? and why do conservatives seem so willing to make them into folk hero, whether it's bundy or ted nug

cliven bundy is not. these people own their land. cliven bundy, he doesn't own his land. these people protest peacefully, cliven bundy threatens federal officials. this weekend keystone protesters will again show their patriotism. f keystone opponents are holding a big rally on the national mall to draw attention and get information out about the issue that they really believe in. i will be there in washington to cover it tomorrow and to cover they're march. and hopefully bundy will be off the news when we come back on monday. maybe the weekend will give us a reprieve and we'll be onto something else collectivelied i the media. right now they're doing a disservice to america by giving the guy a platform. i have nothing to interview him about because he has nothing to offer society at all. he's a wacko. and people like this follow him. i can't get this picture out of my head. i ask for the third night, what would motivate someone to take up a position like that? use your imagination tonight. let's just say you're in this crowd and someone comes up to you and say, i know yo

back with us is cliven bundy. back with us is cliven bundy. and back with us tonight to respond in a hannity exclusive is rancher cliven bundy. cliveen, i've gotten to know you as the controversy is unfolding. you and your family seem like really nice people. >> stephen: man, hannity ate up that store so hard, bundy should have charged him grazing fees. ( cheers and applause ). and thanks, thanks to sean's sympathetic coverage, arped patriots flocked to bundy's ranch to defend his rights. >> we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. if they're going to start shooting, it will be women that will be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers. >> reporterofficers. >> stephen: now, that's not as monstrous as it sounds. i'm sure they were going to protect the women with a line of children. ( applause ) now, no surprise, the feds did not have the sack to shoot through a lady line, so they packed it in. and in that moment of victory against an enroaching federal government, cliven bundy becam

and cliven bundy himself doesn't believe in the federal government. >> i don't recognize the united states government as even existing. >> yet conservatives continued taking bundy's side. >> i have a problem with the federal government putting citizens in the position of having to feel like they have to use force to deal with their own government. >> we have to balance the needs of a turtle and the need of man and the needs and the rights of property owners. >> what senator reid may call domestic terrorist, i call patriots. >> but that belief in bundy was shortly tested after "the new york times" published a report last night quoting the man himself. pro tip, it's probably a never good idea to start a sentence, i want to tell you one more thing i know about the negro. as the "times" reports, bundy said that to one reporter and one photographer and then recalled an experience he had driving past a nevada public housing project. and because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do? they abort their young children, they put their young men in jail because they never l

he says they are the domestic terrorists, not him. >> so the grazing fees that cliven bundy didn't pay, that's not the same thing as taxes. so harry reid is leveling a new acquisition against mr. bundy that he doesn't pay taxes? >> exactly, in the same sentence he says he doesn't pay grazing fees and he doesn't pay his taxes. it's not a matter if he mistook one for the other. he used both in the same sentence. he's accusing cliven bundy of not paying his taxes. cliven bundy says that's just not true. >> with all due respect, what does anyone care what harry reid's son says about this? he called for cliven bundy to e be -- using the terms like domestic terrorists? >> i'm not sure why people would care. rory reid does have his own tv show here in the market and as such, he's on tv every day or three, four days a week and the fact is a lot of people believe that he or one of the other reid brothers maybe apparent to harry reid if he decides to step down and leave the senate. >> big in nevada politics. thank you. >> thank you, megyn. >>> joining me now, dennis michael lynch, a film maker o

cliven bundy is a kran. er who is very, very angry he no longer seens same federal subsidies he's gotten for over 20 years. he's so angry, he refuses to pay his taxes, and surround himself with gun-toting militia member. cliven bundy, a taker in the most acute sense of the word, degrading people on welfare. so what happens now? is he still a patriot? earlier today, rand paul said, bundy's remarks on race are offensive and i disagree with him. senator dean heller called them appalling and racist. fox host greta van susteren condemns what cliven bundy said about african-americans. it is not exactly something that is unfamiliar. as the new republic pointed out, by sheer coincidence, conservative murders turn out to be huge racists. new york's chait elaborated, it not a coincidence bundys a gigantic racist like rand paul's ghost writer turned out to be a neocob fed rate white supremacist. so, is it something in the water or does this run deeper? "slate" offered this assessment, only difference between bundy and

apparently lessed about the effect of government subsidies on people like him because over the years cliven bundyas been the beneficiary of a benefit subsidy, and he's not alone. ranchers like bundy, even the ones who do pay their fees, receive millions in subsidies every year grazing on federal land. the federal government charges $1.35 per cow/calf paer month. on private land, it's over temperatures e ten times that amount. $16.80. bundy and his fellow ranchers are getting a $15 discount courtesy of the u.s. taxpayer. in fact, the entire federal grazing program operates at over $120 million loss a year. over a billion dollars a decade. but grazing fees are just one tiny subsidy hidden from view. while conservatives choose to focus on things like food stamps and medicaid, there are subsidies stuffed all throughout the budget for people like cliven bundy and his supporters. in fact, just one part of the farm bill, crop insurance, cost u.s. taxpayers $14 billion in 2012. since 1995, taxpayers have spent $277 billion on agricultural subsidies. this year, house republicans voted on a farm bill that

there's something deeper about the messaging sent out about cliven bundy to people like cliven bundy. hey, we have a kinship here. what is wrong with somebody like a cliven bundy to the conservative movement? >> the problem in that answer that you just showed, in his interview, on cnn, in his radio interview where he tried to say "the new york times" got his quote wrong and want s a retraction to the story, he's in a delusional world where he thinks what he said is perfectly fine. just because he said i wonder if black people would have been better off under slavery, he clearly does not understand that, you know, equating black people and slavery and today and that life would be better under slavery is someone who is not in touch with reality. not in touch with where things are in this country now. and i wish that republican politicians who are, you know, guilty of using slave imagery to talk about oppositions to the president's policies or opposition to democrats. they talk about slavery being better, talk about slavery, comparing slavery to today, because what you're talking about i

suspicion is that there happens to be oh, a pretty tight connection between the kind of views cliven bundye and the anti-government rhetoric that's become the nucleus of the tea party, the rhetoric that made bundy a hero to a certain part of the conservative base in the first place. the president himself spoke to this connection and its historical roots in an interview earlier this year with the new yorker's david recommend nic wp "you can be someone who for legitimate reasons worries about the power of the federal government, that more power should reside in the hands of stay governments but that's also wrapped up in states rights in the context of the civil rights movement and the civil war. it's important for conservatives to recognize and answer some of the problems that are posed by that history." conservatives of course believe that kind of thinking is ridiculous, slander even. those who point out the connection between anti-government and racially charged sentiment are playing the race card. but there's actually some data that's important to this conversation. "new york times" is ou

after bundy's slavery apologetics were made public, the news cycle has been dominated by the great cliven bundy walkback of 2014. first up, senator dean heller. senator's spokeswoman saying "senator heller completely disagrees with mr. bundy's appalling and racist statements and condemns them in the most strenuous way." senator rand paul through his spokesman said, "his remarks on race are offensive and i wholeheartedly disagree with them." senator ted cruz, you're up next. through his press secretary, cruz said, "those comments are completely unacceptable." and there's texas attorney general greg abbott, who jumped on the bundy rhetoric bandwagon using similar language about government overreach, to trumpet his own problems with the blm in a letter to that agency. and so now predictably a spokeswoman for mr. abbott laura bean said the letter "regarding a dispute in texas is in no way related to a dispute in nevada, of course." governor rick perry said bundy is a side issue. and nothing yet from huckabee. which brings us to hannity, who responded today on his radio show. >> his comments are bey

>> any doubt sean hannity is a huge cliven bundy supporter? hannity has used his show as a platform to let this law breaker talk down the federal government numerous times. >> get your arm out of nevada, get your army out of my ranch, keep it out. and if they come, we'll deal with them tonight. >> every county sheriff across the united states, disarm the federal bureaucrats, take the federal united states bureaucrats' guns away. i do break federal laws evidently if they're really laws. these feds, i don't recognize their jurisdiction or authority, so, no, i wouldn't go with them. >> none of the comments were challenged on fox news. especially not by hannity. cliven bundy has now appeared on hannity's show seven times. his air time on fox news has now topped 53 minutes. sean hannity admitted he's got tonight know bundy very well. >> cliven i've got tonight know you as this controversy's unfold, you and your family seem like really nice people. >> really nice people. sean's gotten to know him really well. turns out that sean hannity isn't the be

when asked about the cliven bundy thing, he doesn't like cliven bundy. ut the extraordinary thing was how he depicted the people who went out last week to support him. members of the militia, members of the public there to stand with the bundy family. he says those people are terrorists. >> these people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. they're nothing more than domestic terrorists, and i think that we are a country, that people should follow theç law and what went on is not very good. i repeat what went on up there is domestic terrorism. cliven bundy does not recognize the united states. he says the united states is a foreign government. he doesn't pay his taxes. he doesn't pay his fees, unlike the rest of nevada ranchers. then he doesn't follow the law. he continues to thumb his nose at authority. >> the idea that -- of course there's outrage as a result of those comments. the idea you would compare people who have lived on this land since the late 1800's, have farmed this land, ranched on this land since that time period, you would compa

nevada cattle rancher cliven bundy said it's his right to graze his cattle on any land he chooses. and his story has gained national attention. officials at the u.s. bureau of land management in nevada say bundy has been running hundreds of cat until a federally protected wildlife area and for years has refused to pay the fees required to do so. the blm is seeking more than $1 million in back fees and fines from bundy, and when he refused to pay the government began rounding up his cattle to confiscate them. a band of armed men rallied to bundy's side and in the stand off that ensued bundy's son was tased by officers. the blm fearing a violent confrontation backed down. >> get off our land, period. give us back our property 12,347 the blm is the agency managing federal lands mostly in the west, balancing the demands of ranchers, environmentalists and others. in nevada the federal government owns more than 80% of the state's land. the blm oversees 245 million acres including 800 grazer areas. rancher bundy owns 160 acres he said were homesteaded by his family in the late 1800's, a he

tonight with reaction to some disturbing comments that are being attributed to nevada rancher cliven bundy. they appeared in today's new york times and made by bundy. what the paper like into a town hall meeting with supporters, now audio was posted of the alleged remarks online. take a listen. >> i want to tell you one more thing i know about the negro. >> bundy reportedly called driving past a housing project in north las vegas and said this. >> in front of that government house, the door was usually open and the older people and the kids, and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. they didn't have nothing to do. they didn't have nothing for their kids to do. they didn't have nothing for their young girls to do, and because they were basically on government subsidy, and so now what do they do? they abort their young children. they put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. and i've often wondered, were they better off as slaves picking cotton and doing family things or better under government subsidy. >> let me allow to make m

you can almost argue they are arresting the cattle if they have a problem with cliven bundy, why don'they take it up with him. there has been some court issues. my big question is why are they precipitating a showdown? there is a lot of anger. people have been tased. people are now being attacked. have you, quote, a free speech zone being set up. i thought that was all of america. and you have a lot of people getting very very angry. and i'm very concerned that the government has gone way overboard here and i think they need to pull back fast and find a peaceful resolution to this. >> sean, i know -- i'm curious, what was it that sort of -- if it's been going on since the early 1990, what brought it to this? what suddenly the helicopters and snipers and the militia and the crowds? what just recently happened? >> you are asking the million-dollar question, greta. what precipitated this? now, from everything i have learned, this is state property. this isn't federal property. from everything i understand they are not looking to use this for imminent domain. they are not building a school

cliven bundy was a huge hero for the right until he turned out to be a huge racist. while supporters may have abandoned bundy as their figure head, they're not abandoning his cause. the new frontier is right here in texas. governor rick perry and the man hoping to replace him, attorney general greg abbott both allege the bureau of land management is attempting to seize 90,000 acres of private land along 160-mile stretch south of the red river, which forms the natural border between texas and oklahoma. >> this is alarming and disturbing because private property owners in texas have owned this land that butts up against the red river for generations. this is the latest system of what seems to be a government run amuck. >> the only problem with governor perry's paranoia, it's not private land. or at least it's not according to a 1924 supreme court ruling and court rulings on two land owner disputes during the 1980s. and for those on the right, this is not about particular facts. it's really about something broade broader. >> they say look, this is the public domain. >> t

in a news conference late today, cliven bundy doubled down, watch. >> i was wondering, cliven bundy is a wondering about these people. now i'm talking about the black community. i'm wondering are they better off with their young women aborting their children? are they better off with their young men in prison? and are they better off with the older people on the sidewalks in front of her government-issued homes with a few children on them, are they better off? are they happier than they was when they were in the south with their homes and chickens and gardens and children around them and their men having something to do? are they better off? i'm a wondering. that's a question i put before the world. are they better? are they better then? i'm not saying i thought they should be slaves. i never said they were better off. i'm a wondering if they are better off. >> "the kelly file" dug into this a few times reporting how mr. bundy has no legal leg to stand off. the feds showed up on his property and this ugly confrontation was documented on wednesday, april 9th. mr. bundy's son was tasered

now, we know that cliven bundy is a man who does not see things clearly. e very offensive ignorant remarks about african-americans and was roundly condemned for doing so. it here is something interesting. mr. bundy is also sympathetic to hispanics. >> now, let me talk about hispanic people. i understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders but they are here and they are people. i have worked beside a lot of them. don't tell me they don't work. and don't tell me they don't pay taxes. and don't tell me they don't have better family structures than most of us white people. >> now, mr. bundy might just be covering his butt with that statement but because he is getting hammered, i thought it was fair it play the sound bite. for those who at this point to sympathize with cliven bundy, here is how wrong you are. the man foolishly asked whether blacks are better off being dependent on government as owe opposed to being victims of slavery. insane and outrageous. it allowed murder, rape, child abuse, child abandonment, whings and ot

and then cliven bundy implode. and now, i think everybody in the country is looking and waiting to say what is jon stewart going to say tonight. he's going to get the last word in, it's going to be memorable. i feel a little sorry for him, but what do you think? >> if i didn't know better, i would think that viacom owned fox news and comedy central. historically, sean hannity and jon stewart have a symbiotic relationship. it shouldn't be surprising that sean hannity is not being consistent, he's being hypocrite call. that's the hallmark of fox news. but really, i think the story should be about the story not the people talking about the story. both sean hannity and jon stewart are entertainers in the broadest sense of the word. i know jon. and jon is very funny, very insightful and factual, which i would not associate with handy. but it's working in both of their favors. i mean, sean hannity does not have to be truthful or accurate to appeal to his base, his viewers. and despite the fact that jon stewart is clearly

there has got to be a more common sensecal solution onto this. >> according to the court orders cliven bundyost. the execution of the court order, when they bring in helicopters and all of this, that's the problem. many problems. but that's one of them. >> well, and bundy feels like and i spent an hour with him on the radio today. he feels this is a constitutional issue. the federal government has no business being involved in this. that this argument that they made from the very beginning is predicated on nothing but a lie. one of the big arguments he made, he said, look, my cattle never hurt the desert tort tus anyway. and on top of that they are thriving and there is instances we are told, by reliable sources they are thriving so well in the desert that they are euthanizing them. what needs to happen is the federal government needs to pull back. they need to think about what is the end game here? are they willing to tase people? fight people? i saw one picture of a bloodied up woman, an elderly woman that was thrown to the ground. the son of cliven bundy was tasered three times. he is goi

the conservative media and the republican elected officials who spoke out calling cliven bundy a hero when in fact his comments are anything but, and we want the armed militia to know that we want you to leave. that's what the residents told me today. the neighbors of cliven bundy told me that they want their community back, that they want it to be back to normal, and that this doesn't reflect our community. and these people are not here to solve local land use problems. they have come with an agenda. and that agenda doesn't belong in mesquite, in bunkerville, in moapa, or any place in nevada. >> when you are talking to your constituents and when you're traveling to the different in your geographically very, very large district. when you talk to other people in the line of work, same line of work as mr. bundy, when you talk to other people who are using big tracts of land, whether they're ranchers or farmers or any other kind of large land use employed in that way, are you hearing sympathy on the issues for him, whether or not there is sympathy for him personally? >> in fact, some of

. >> he doesn't like cliven bundy. >> blasted cliven bundy's supporters as domestic terrorists. >> domesticrorists. >> these people who hold themselves out to be patriots, are not. >> you know members of the militia. >> they're nothing more than domestic terrorists. >> what do you have to say to the senator? >> well i guess he's right i don't know what else we'd be. we're definitely citizens riled up. >> you know members of the militia. >> i repeat went on up there is domestic terrorism. >> thinks cliven bundy is breaking the law. >> that man right there is trying to kill the american spirit. >> we're a country people should follow the law. >> we don't work for you. you work for us. >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching, dirty hary, tell it like it is, make my day. senate majority leader harry reid, this is what it's all about, going right back at them. he's calling out the law-breaking nevada rancher, cliven bundy. fox news is still defending bundy, and they are now attacking harry reid. harry reid's the problem now. harry reid has every right to criticize this rogue law

cliven bundy's racist comments have sent his former supporters now running away from him. is comments and the much bigger story, too. >> at the same time, you're grazing your cows on public land for free. so how are you not a welfare queen in a cowboy hat? >> i might be, but i'll tell you i'm producing something for america. >> how does it feel to be abandoned by your friends on fox? the only reason we could get you on is because they didn't call. >> i think maybe they misunderstood me a bit. i have no doubt that he would support me if he understand really what's in my heart and i think he does understand me. i don't think there's a question there. >> they called you ignorant racist repugnant and despicable. >> well, i hope i'm not that way. >> and now bill is good enough to join me, nodding his head and watching this over. i'm sure you have gotten a few e-mails and tweets on this. i don't even know what to say. >> these are the moments and characters that help us define our boundaries in society. i think most people when you understand that due to a painful history that af

cliven bundy. for two decades cliven bundy has been grazing his cattle on government-owned land without paying. he now owes the government over a million dollars in grazing fees. grazing fees which are already so heavily subsidized they're basically welfare to begin with. still, bundy just doesn't want to pay for the land he's using. like almost every other rancher does. instead, when the bureau of land management came to take his cattle that he's been illegally grazing for two decades on federal land, he gathered militia members, states' rights activists to come to his defense, and complained. >> it seems like the united states government is operating with unlimited power over we the people. >> complained that his family was there first and that the federal government had wronged him. the whining paid off. after a tense standoff with federal authorities, the bureau of land management backed off. bundy got his cattle back. cliven bundy is the perfect face of the grievance industry. where many of th

or has cliven bundy made that impossible? >> well, there were so issues that they originally wanted to talk about. all of them, they think, wedge issues, rural america versus the elites in urban america, the real bedrock of this country, the cowboys versus everybody else. i think the only legitimate issue here, it is a legitimate issue. for instance, in nevada, the federal government owns 81% of the land. what would happen if the state took possession of that land? i don't think it's as clear as a lot of the states rights folks think. for instance, does anyone think that cliven bundy would've paid his fees if the state owned that land instead of the federal government? it's still public land. he still would've had to pay grazing fees on the state land. that is a legitimate policy issue. but for anyone to think that any of what went on with sean hannity and dean heller and the rest of them had anything to do with policy. dean heller called these folks up there patriots. i wonder how he feels today, joy. >> yeah, indeed, and no

cliven bundy was a phony symbol in the first place. >> bundy's 15 minutes of fame are infamy. >> a lot of people are going to be saying, who is cliven bundy? >>> i'm in for lawrence o'donnell. we begin with a revealing development in an important story. for weeks, pundits and politicians called this man, a hero and patriot, for taking stances like this. >> this harmed the federal bur kral burbureaucrats. take the bureaucrats' guns away. that's my message today. >> rancher cliven bundy waged a decade long battle with the federal government over misuse of federal lands. when he welcomed, armed protesters to his ranch. he became a folk hero on fox news. among some republicans. that embrace was disturbing, as many critics pointed out. that embrace is ending. but not necessarily for all of the right reasons. tonight, most republicans want everyone to forget all about cliven bundy because he spoke directly about ignorance, racial resentment and outright racism that animates his world view. comments on the front page of "the new york times" today and ricochetted around the web. >> i want to t

cliven bundy, his two sons, welcome back. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you, sean. >> thank you, sean. >> cliven, let me first of all, on friday i was very, very concerned that this would end ugly. we heard the sheriff say that the blm, burro of land management seized operations. you've gotten your cows back, is that correct? >> you know, i listened to that four minutes and my hands are sweating and my tears are close to my eyes right now, sean, but yeah, my cows are back. yes, my cows are back. >> well, let me ask you, harry reid just spoke earlier tonight and said well, it's not over. he said quote, we can't have american people violate the law and just walk away from it. so it's not over. what is your response to harry reid? >> i don't have a response for harry reid, but i have a response for every sheriff across the united states. every county sheriff across the united states disarm the federal burro cats. take the federal united states burocrats guns away. >> you said that to the sheriff, cliven, disarm th

land, and if they can get rid of me they take all the reps of the rights of we the people. >> cliven bundy says it is not just about his family who has been there for a couple of hundred years the federal government trying to have a power grab and take this land from the very people who built this country. hundreds of people have gathered in support of him out there as well. take a look at this local farmer the town hall meeting in nevada as well. listen. >> they can throw an army of men around there, literally with sniper rifles on guys just like you are, people just like you are, men, women and children just like you are. okay? out there who believe they have a right to be there, okay? maybe you believe in some other place that you believe you can be there much and some day they are going to throw that army around you. >> amen. >> and then these guys somehow, feel like they have the rights they can drop a tripod on the ground with a sniper rifle ton so if you cross a line they can put a bullet in you? >> not in our country. >> who the hell is the man behind this trigger? this is a hell o

something to which he objects because his family has been there for generations. >> well, and cliven bundy says this is not about cows or dessert tortoise. it's about state rights. and his big beef with the blm could be avoided i'm worried and a lot of my listeners are very worried this is escalating. one listener yesterday by the name of joe said he's going on saturday, going tomorrow, he's going to take a tub of ice, water, and he's going to take weapons when that happens i get scared >> i worry about law enforcement officers on the scene, they're there doing their jobs. this is a fight between the federal government and ranch owners those who go to enforce court orders are doing what they pay them to do. we're a nation of laws. they should no more be raising firearms against the bundys than the bundys should be threatening arm against them. what is being done to deescalate tempers and get this under control? >> not much i talk to the clark county

my next guest says he was sensors on facebook for posting a comment about cliven bundy and his post. he said rancher bundy should have told the feds those were mexican cows that came illegally to seek better grazing opportunities. we reproved something our page posed. we removed the post below because it doesn't follow the facebook community standards. joining me is the author of "godless america." fox news radio host todd sterns. i'll talk about senator harry reid's comments in a moment, todd. you post this comments snarky, facebook didn't like it. >> eric, god love them, liberals don't have a sense of humor. disappoint the in the liberals. not the first time they have come after me for something i wrote on facebook. a lot of people think it's facebook removing conservative posts but they say the liberals have figured out and coincidentally all the people getting banned from facebook are somehow conservatives. >> who is that, it'ed t todd? they report you? >> yeah, i've been a bad boy in the facebook community. i was slapped and taken off facebook because i wrote about paula dean, g

is cliven bundy a patriot or is is he a free loader. text or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you results later in the show. for more, let me bring in gary from the tribe in in nebraska. farm owner megan hammon. ft i know if the pipeline is approved it's going to be going over your land, but the media has given cliven bundy way more attention than what you folks are doing in washington. . he doesn't even own his land, and you do. your reaction to all of this? >> oh my. we pay our property taxes. and it is very interesting that conservatives will stand up for someone who tries to use the second amendment, but they won't come to our rescue when a foreign corporation is shoving a pipeline down our throat. >> is that what is happening? is there a foreign corporation doing that to you and your family? >> yeah, definitely. it's been going on for five and a half years. on the first route, didn't have any options. we took the word that they had every permit they needed and we signed. we are again on the second route, and yeah, that's what they're doing. they're trying to f

you just heard from the nevada rancher cliven bundy in the middle of a tense standoff over his cattlerazing on public land. it's actually state land. bundy family supporters have been showing up from all over the country all week and joining me from the ranch is cliven bundy's sister margaret houston and a supporter. margaret, let me start with you. i understand you got into a tussle with the blm agents out there. is that true? >> yeah, yeah, i did. >> yeah, what happened? >> we were just at the picket lines, you know, just demonstrating. and we noticed up on the mountain that there was rangers coming down, so we spotted them and there were 14 or 15 vehicles. we noticed there was a dump truck pulling a backhoe. so we wanted to know what was in the dump truck and what they were doing up there, and so we headed up and met them before they hit the pavement. i went up the dirt road and, you know, i was hollering in the window, go home, we want you to go home, you know, that kind of thing. a couple of them went by me. i got in front of one. he just kept coming and kind of pushed me with hi

his son is doubling down climbing that cliven bundy is not a victim and should be prosecuted. in a few minutes the bundy family, including cliven bundy, will be here to respond, but first, reaction to this and much, much more. donald trump, how are you? >> hi. >> i am on this season's apprentice. >> that's right. i understand you're helping a good friend of yours. >> gerardo -- >> he's doing well. you would be proud of him. >> if you say he's fired, it's not because of money because he's working it hard. >> he is working it hard. >> you know, over the years, we've been friends, i have followed cases you've been involved in, land disputes, government bureaucracies, you got to deal with bald eagles. you got to deal with, in this case a desert tortoise. >> right. >> i don't like heavy-handed government. 200 agents, snipers surrounding a ranch. seems a little over the top to me. >> it's over the top, very strong. i like him but you also have to say and i watched you last night with the little debate you had going and she did a very good job. >> tamera. >> because you do have certai