another republican candidate rand paul met with antigovernment activist clive and bundy -- cliven bundy. he referred to african-americans as the negro. he is asking marijuana enthusiasts in denver for money at the cannabis business summit. which rand is the real rand? john: they could be an argument that this is a false choice. both of these are the real rand. liberals will be horrified with bundy. he showed up at a meeting. then he took in backstage and spent 45 minutes with him. that is not great in terms of optics. liberals will love that he was hanging with potheads in denver. both of these arise out of libertarianism. one of the contentions in his campaign, is he a tea party guy or is he the left leaning -- i shouldn't say that. a guy who is acceptable to some on the slightly left side of the perspective because of his libertarianism. that tension between the tea party and the outreach he wants to make is going to be devil him throughout his candidacy. you can see that. al: the bigger contrast than bundy and the pot smokers was this is a guy who has gone to howard and ferguson and

paying attention to what you are saying and there are only 50 of you and one of them happens to be cliven bundy, it is not exactly a resounding endorsement of everybody that is in the room. but it would seem to me that if this is the kind of people that -- if this is the kind of people that rand paul is attracting, i think he still -- there has to be a distinction of philosophy here. does rand paul have to speak up about bundy in your opinion? as a black man, does he have to speak up and be very clear on where he stands. >> absolutely. but you have made a brilliant distinction ed. by appearing in a photo with him, he knows what that signal will be. because these politicians are very, very serious and very definitive and they are also very intentional. so they know what happens when the picture gets out. that is number one. but number two, you are absolutely right. it is not that we have to indict him so much because bundy is there. it is the kind of people he's appealing to and the kind of outreach he's making in the name of libertarian ethic that e shoes on the one hand the big government of t