it wasn't just the jewellery, clivey.nd sitting on her lap and being fed chocolate cake and then showing us her stash of shoes in the attic. so that was really a lot of foreplay. and just gushing and loving her and never asking a question that would offend her. but never being a sycophant either. you know? she likes big stars, we tried to create this image that i was. and clivey put the hello magazine, i know you did, clive, in her garbage can with a picture of me on the front. i know you did that, clive. that's too much of a coincidence. so she picked it up and went "oh! she's on the cover of hello!" she thought i was just a journalist. from that moment, she took my hand, she took me to parliament, she pretty much, she covered me in her jewellery. i mean, clive, that was clever. ruby, i was wondering about those like yourself in front of the camera. we've talked about changing trends and particular programmes being reinvented and coming back. how much are you conscious of that need to adapt as fashions change in terms of