this is the first time that i have observed where something went like clockwork.s is exactly what we set out to do. wellew we wanted to do so that this was to the t. >> did you anticipate this kind of legal fight? >> the thing that i did not impactate was the direct the future contributing cloud. back,ake a moment to step you never do. scope andversy and scale of what is transpiring. >> broadcasters continue to speak what their options are. they can take their channels and where they can move their broadcast network to cable. they can take it to the internet. what do you say to that? to goy have had an agenda to cable for a very long time. back.ed to take a step 50 million people use antennas in some way shape or form. are they capable of disenfranchising that large of a number of people? i don't think so. that is a very difficult situation. >> if you were not successful at the supreme court, is there a plan b? >> no. there is no plan. we do think this is the right thing it. important. the mission was to try and create an open platform. we wanted to wedge the syst

this is the first time i have followed clockwork execution in this way. we wanted to do so well.tremely fast. on the legal side? you must have anticipated some legal hurdles. did you anticipate this kind of legal fight? >> the things that i did not anticipate would happen were the and future of these models. had taken a moment i would have stepped back. a lot of those things, controversy was anticipated. >> outside of court rooms, broadcasters continue to speak on their options and what they are as opposed to where they can take their channels. >> we can move the broadcast network to cable. to the internet. what do you say to that? >> cable has had an agenda for long time. has nothing to do with it. are they capable of disenfranchising that large number of people? i don't think so. i think it is a difficult position. >> to be clear, if you were not successful at the supreme court b?el, is there a plan >> no, there is no plan b. we work on merit. we do not just believe in the merit. company wasof this to try to create a platform. wedge the door open. for those who believe in that

this is the first time that i have observed what i would call a clockwork-like execution.ctly what we set out to do. we knew what we wanted to do so well that we moved extremely fast. this is to the t. >> what about the legal side. you must event is a bit of legal hurdles. the joint is because kind of fight -- did you expect this kind of a fight? >> the things i did not expect where the direct impact of the computing cloud and these things . if i had taken a moment to step back, but you never do. the controversy we had dissipated, but the scope and scale of what has transpired was a surprise. >> outside of court rooms, broadcasters continue to speak about what their options are in terms of where they can take their channels. we can move our broadcast networks to cable. we can take our broadcast network to the internet. what you say to that? >> they have had an agenda to go to cable for a long time. ariel has nothing to do with it. aereo has nothing to do with it. are they capable of disenfranchising that large number of people? i don't think so. i think that is a very diff

this is the first time that i have observed where something went like clockwork.s is exactly what we set out to do. we knew what we wanted to do so well that this was to thet. -- that we moved extremely fast, to the t. >> did you anticipate this kind of legal fight? >> the thing that i did not anticipate was the direct impact of the association of aero with the the future contributing cloud. if i take a moment to step back, you never do. the controversy and scope and scale of what is transpiring. was a surprise. >> broadcasters continue to speak what their options are. in terms of where they can take their channels and where they can move their broadcast network to cable. we can take it to the internet. what do you say to that? >> they have had an agenda to go to cable for a very long time. aereo has nothing to do with it. they need to take a step back. 50 million people use antennas in some way shape or form. are they capable of disenfranchising that large of a number of people? i don't think so. that is a very difficult situation. >> to be clear, if you were not

employees say, like clockwork, denofa visited divas every tuesday night. rachel was his favorite dancer. >> she had mentioned jack, and she said that, you know, she wouldn't even have to work that night if she didn't want to because he would just give her money to sit there and talk to him, and she said that, you know, he seemed like, just like a lonely guy, and that he was basically paying for her friendship. >> we had never discovered any evidence of any kind of sexual relationships. we asked the girls that, and we have no evidence at all that rachel ever engaged in any kind of activity like that with him or anyone else for that matter. >> jack had a previous drunk driving arrest, so it wasn't unusual for him to stay at the motel connected to the dance club. >> he would rent a motel room himself, and if he was too drunk to drive, sometimes the divas management would comp him a room. the weird thing about that was his wife was cool with it, and she would actually drive him to divas and drop him off. >> jack denofa had no criminal past and was well liked.

up until november, you got two, three, four conduct reports every month, every month, just like clockwork what changed? >> the fact that i was tired of being here. i have grown up. i said it's time to go. my thinking, the way i did things, that's what changed. i did a lot more thinking after i did all that and i finally came up with a solution. >> you probably came up with the right solution. now your problem is going to be you have to think before you act. >> yes, sir. >> while the review committee considers his release from pendleton, in the segregation unit, 18-year-old inmate marcus branch is facing the possibility of spending several more years behind bars. >> i'll probably end up going to court from here. they said i could face 20 years in prison for what i did. what happened was, this staff member was kind of big and stuff like that. he always talked like crazy to me. i forget what he said, but basically, i was like, you know, [ bleep ] your family. he said [ bleep ] your family. i don't know, i always wanted to fight him. but i got like swinging on him and stuff. i thought he was

major conflict in the cia, every flap which there is bound to be one every three or four years like clockwork and so it did occur to me that my personal history in my personal experience did track with the arc of the cia in its modern era since the 1970s. honestly no one had written an inside memoir like that and certainly not by a lawyer from the cia. so i thought that might be an interesting and useful contribution. so that is really how this book came to be. the whole process from start to finish and all the back-and-forth thing was probably two and a half years. which to me was a very long time but two other authors that's a blink of an eye. i feel a little grubby that i only spent two years on this book. but i'm happy with it and it accomplished what i wanted it to accomplish. it has gotten extensive attention and spin reviewed by major publications, some good and not so good but all that goes with the territory. it's been fascinating and new and somewhat byzantine to me. i would have never predicted three years ago, four years ago that i would ever be standing here at the savannah book

also, it must be stated that the cia manages to get itself into controversies every few years like clockwork >> we're going to take a break and come back to this conversation. we will talk about the issues of torture iran dish and that the torture and rendition of the cia has been accused of. our guests are john rizzo, retired cia attorney who served as the agency's acting general counsel during most of the bush administration. he is the author of the new book, "company man: thirty years of controversy and crisis in the cia." and we're joined by scott horton , human rights attorney and could to ridding editor at harper's magazine. we will be back in a moment. ♪ [music break] >> video footage taken from 35 years ago on this date, the anniversary of the worst nuclear accident in u.s. history, the partial meltdown of the reactor at three mile island. you can go to democracynow.org and see that. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we are spending power talking about the cia. john rizzo is with us and washington, d.c., retired ci

and he'll pick up my mom's laugh immediately." [ laughter ] and sure enough, like clockwork, three hoursa text from my brother being like, "well, at least mom liked it." [ laughter ] my dad is a critical eye. he's a lot more, i'm a lot more like my dad than my mom. like i feel like i have a critical eye as well. and you know, obviously, on a show like this, a show like "snl," you do a lot of stuff and tell a lot of jokes and write a lot of sketches. i'm very aware that not all of them work. and my dad, though, always wants to check to make sure i knew it didn't work. [ laughter ] and he way he does it is very sweet way because like, after a show he'll be like, "hey, how do you think that joke went?" and i'm like, "i don't think it worked." he's like, "yeah, that's what i thought that too." [ laughter ] but it's great because -- he likes a lot of the stuff too, but he has two things, which is either either, like "hey i love that," or "how do you think that one went?" [ laughter ] which is his way of being like, "that was not good at all." but i can't wait. monday my parents will be here.

s another movie metaphor beyond clockwork orange about ghostbusters you know when they open up their little. ghostbuster container and they let out the goblins and the ghouls and the ghosts and they come the giant marshmallow man he comes us jamie diamond it comes stalking around you know scaring everybody that's what happens when you keep interest rates too low it lets the ghostbusters of financial fraud out into the financial oh dear and people like warren buffett get fat you know try to get inside information all day hello i'm warren buffett i trade on inside information pimco you know these guys are on each other's throat now aaron l. iran or never frickin mame is and bill gross are at each other's throat because their job is essentially no job their job is just a front run the central banks with all that free money that's being printed the couple of drama queens and for what six percent over ten years you know made off to twice that using the same market manipulation but here we have again let's compare use this analogy that we've been using for the show and that is here in syri

four years after the oil spill, like clockwork, the herring populations presumptioned. of the young that were -- plummeted. all of the young that were born at the time of the oil spill and for the next three years were picking up enough of the hydrocarbons that they couldn't make it to adulthood. and that effect then -- the herring were one of the cornerstones of the food web, and 25 years later today still haven't recovered. >> um, so before deepwater horizon spill we don't have a settlement or a clean water act settlement, but there is some early money there. there's this -- [inaudible] i don't know whether you all are following that, but are there lessons when you look back 20 years later from exxon valdez how that process is going? >> we have people in the sierra club in the gulf who are tracking that, but i'd have to follow up with you on that later. unless one of you guys -- >> i can say -- the one thing we learned conclusively from exxon valdez, and it's applicable if all these -- in all these oil spills is you can't fix what is broken, but what you can and must

i go out every other morning like clockworks a two-mile walk. i haven't had even a cold for 10 years. so i do myself more as being more in the 35 and under group instead of the 55-year-old where i'm at. all i want from health care is pretty simple. pay for the medications that i need right now. 90-day supply of what i need is $100. i want regular checkups. i don't need anything else at this point in my life. as far as emergency care, i have the reagan health care reform from what was it 1998 that says no emergency room can turn me away. so at that point as opposed to the affordable care act, i am ctually saving myself over $3,000 a year. and if you add in the $700 fine per year from the i.r.s. for not signing up for it, well, then it, it is still close to $3000 a year i am saving. host: your thoughts. sure -- the $700 fine. i think it varies depending on income. the first year, $95 or one percent of your income if you are supposed to get coverage and you don't. i wasn't clear from the caller if he has an employer-sponsored health land, and if th

they work like clockwork.thing to have a group of resources that are coming together that are working around the clock on everything. i think what we've been hearing, they are prepared to do that. i really believe that we have the technology and we certainly have the resources available to us at this point that they will continue and be successful, certainly in identifying the debris and moving further with this. >> i hope so. christine denison, many thanks to you. >> thank you very much. >>> we'll have more on missing flight 370. >>> first, not a stick left standing. that's how the governor of washington described the aftermath of that deadly landslide. the latest for you on the desperate search for survivors next. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. [ bottle ] ensure®. phone: your account is already paid in full. oh, w

young hearing take four years before they become adults for years after like clockwork they plummeted. all of the young born at the time of the oil spill for the next three years were picking up enough hydrocarbon's they could not make it to adulthood then back then it is a cornerstone of the food web now 25 years later they have not recovered. >> florid deepwater horizon there is some money there i don't know to what extent you follow that but are there lessons that you look back five years later and how the process is going? >> we are tracking that but i have to get back to. >> the of one thing we learn to exclusively from exxon valdez that is applicable you cannot fix what was broken period laws protecting the injured ecosystem from injury. that is why using hundreds of millions of dollars to purchase conservation habitats threaten to buy other activities that is the silver lining to be honest. i am following the gulf i have worked down there and i sympathize with the folks down there to the credit of that situation putting $500 million early into restoration before there is a sett

i go out every other morning like clockworks a two-mile walk. haven't had even a cold for 10 years. so i do myself more as being more in the 35 and under group instead of the 55-year-old where i'm at. all i want from health care is pretty simple. pay for the medications that i need right now. 90-day supply of what i need is $100. i want regular checkups. i don't need anything else at this point in my life. as far as emergency care, i have the reagan health care reform from what was it 1998 that says no emergency room can turn me away. so at that point as opposed to the affordable care act, i am ctually saving myself over $3,000 a year. and if you add in the $700 fine per year from the i.r.s. for not signing up for it, well, then it, it is still close to $3000 a year i am saving. host: your thoughts. sure -- the $700 fine. i think it varies depending on income. the first year, $95 or one percent of your income if you are supposed to get coverage and you don't. i wasn't clear from the caller if he has an employer-sponsored health land, and if the