cloward piven, richard cloward francis fox piven they were columbia university protests.ember the tree of revolution before. you've got the progressives at the beginning and they wanted to change everything. nothing was happening so in the '60s, fdf started in, students for a democrat elk society, and this had the radicals down here, these guys, all of these guys down here. well, it wasn't working in the '60s, the radicals wanted to overthrow capitalism and have a revolution in the 1960's. one side was violent, they finally just went nuts and underground. one side didn't because they listened to their professors cloward and piven, they decided to go nonviolent, that was a better answer, said it could bring around revolutionary he think cha through collapsing america's economic system. how could that ever be achieved? well, by getting everybody on welfare, as many people out of work and on the government dole. it's a philosophy that we're now seeing with the unsustainable debt and overspending. you notice on the free of revolution that there is no bridge. there's no bridge