i think a lot of democrats see clyburn as someone who could represent the party in terms of diversityr statesman. something that pelosi has done, the first female speaker. but if democrats are look for change, they would look at someone like clyburn or steny hoyer. >> and jonathan, your takeaway from the poll showing democrats growing advantage when you factor in the independents and so how significant is this to you. >> i will see this move back and forth before election day but the democrats seem to have a good opportunity to either take advantage of a good situation or to completely blow it. >> well we will see if this blue wave comes or not. julia much and jonathan allen, thank you for being here on this saturday morning with us. we have so much to talk about. it is been great to have you. >> thanks. >> thank you. >>> well that will do it for me. i'm dara brown. thank you for watching. stay with us. up next it is "your business" with j.j. ramberg. enjoy your saturday. stop fearing your alarm clock... with new*! zzzquil pure zzzs. a drug-free blend of botanicals with melatonin ...t

clyburn is a ranking member. it's one of her lieutenants. for him to say that is really remarkable. toe other thing i would note too is the sacrambee came out this week with an editorial beak saying she should step down because it's too important in this election psych to not have emocrats take control and that she is a tool that republicans are using to campaign acro at country. i believe that's the case. i do. but she's having a tough week. to her credit, she's ll over the country to raise money to change this election and take back the house. this is the thanks s getting from her own caucus. >> i think speaks to the duality here. she is hugely unpopular not in saneerancisco where she getting re-elected. that's important to note. the people that get to vote a her constituents in san francisco and the members in the house, not the country atlarge. but she has been an enormously successful fund-raiser, a very effective speaker. if you talk to obama people, they say obamacare wouldn't ha ppened and other huge initiatives. it's an interesting thing to s how she's trying to thread the

waiting on the other end could be veteran south carolina congressman jim clyburn.of the threshold, saying he would absolutely do it. clyburn also told the times that the ascension of a black speaker would put to bed forever the notion that the democratic caucus is taking black voters for granted. when approached about clyburn's intention, she is untroubled, calling him a beautiful member of congress she views as a brother. >>> president trump's space force is proving to be a harder sell when it comes to support from his own party. according to the associated press, key senate republicans are offering a cool reception to the proposal. mitch mcconnell has yet to comment. senator john cornyn tells the ap, traditionally this has been a role played by the air force, and i have not yet heard a compelling case why we need a separate force. cornyn says he has not yet heard from the trump administration and officials about the idea, adding, i'd like to hear their rationale for creating a separate force. meanwhile, richard shelby, chairman of the appropriations committee tha

like i said, jim clyburn has great experience.lly in presidential campaigns work not guilty south carolina. but i do think that we should hold on this debate internally in the party. >> joe, i think karine's concerns are mine. if they become too involved and too side tracked by who is going to be the speaker and forget about the fact the democrats need to first take the house, it could become a distraction even for the public and i think the concern is that it could also start dividing the party before they get to the finish line. it reminds me of a lot of people ordering tuxedoes and gowns for hillary clinton's inauguration and forgot to vote from wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania. if you were going to go to that inauguration. so isn't there a need for people and you like me who have been around for a while for -- but in a way of knowing the terrain. put the brakes on this and argue about that after november. >> i think we've all just done that. i'm not a political insider like the two of you. as you know, this came out bec

clyburn, well respected, but older. the democrats may want to see something different. >> we talk about the democrats coming in. kevin, who do you think is the person replacing pelosi? >> well, i think that it's going to be an open fight in terms of that. i'll keep it very quick. i interviewed representative swalwell who is in line with pelosi. he is the youngest person on democratic leadership. there are different, varying factions of ideologies we'll see. kevin, chief washington correspondent from bloomberg tv and ozzie, great to have you here. you have quite a week ahead. >> the president is already tweeting. that will do it for me. i'm dara brown. thank you for watching. at the top of the hour, politics nation. first, "your business," up next with j.j. ramberg. a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is someth

we have the third ranking house democrat, jim clyburn saying he ll seek the speakership if pelosi struggles to get enough votes in november.n, s where do you see this going from >>here? it's not been a good week for nancy pelosi. the "new york tim" will an extension of piece will the growing revolution against her in her own caucus. a lot of young folkso and a they said older folks are revolting against her. i don't know whos much older than nancy pelosi. member. is a ranking it's one of her lieutenants. for him to say that is reay remarkable. the other thing i would note too is the sacramento bee camethout week with an editorial beak saying she should step down becau it's too important in this election psych to not have democrats take control and that she is a tool that republicans aresing to campaign across at country. i believe that's the case. i do. but she's having a tough week. to her credit, she's all over the country toto raise money change this election and take back the house. this is the thanks she's getting from her own caucus. >> i think speaks to the duality here. she i hgely

still a rare statement from jim clybu clyburn, one of nancy pelosi's key deputies. >> jim clyburn could have said to the "new york times," i stand with nancy pelosi. he didn't choose to say that. what he said, was if the opportunity presents itself, he's going to be there to seize it. he has not called for her to step down. but just reading his quotes of what he has said so far about this indicates that he is open to the notion that a scenario may exist where she doesn't have fullbacking ibacking. i'm sure those were not welcome words in leader pelosi's office. >> i wanted to make sure we corrected that. also at the same time highlight what is happening across the country today. news organizations across the country banding together in support of the free press and against these attacks on the news media. weir n we're not the enemy of the people. >>> breaking news, next. a troubling new warning from the pentagon about isis. is president trump on the same page as his military? >>> we remember aretha franklin with a personal friend who will share some of her remarkable personal photograph

what about jim clyburn? he is, of course, currently the number three in your caucus and he sort of floated the idea of potentially being that bridge that you mention. do you think that would represent generational change? >> i think mr. clyburn is one of the most revered and respected members in our caucus, and the concept of a generational change is something that people are absolutely considering. you know, when you are talking about a generational change, i think in some respects people are referring to age, but in some respects people are referring to people who have not been there for a long time. i believe what mr. clyburn is considering is the idea that he would serve for a short period of time as a bridge, and i do believe he's one of the most respected members in our house. >> at this point, what do you think is missing from the democratic message in the fall, that your leaders should be talking about more? >> i actually think our message is pretty strong. again, we're running on what we would do wh

and jim clyburn is brilliant.y a much better politician than he's gotten credit for over the years. and we would love to see him in some leadership position. i don't know what position that would be. one of leadership. >> as you said, first things first. we love speaking with you. thank you so much. >> good to talk with you. >>> two big developments on north korea. one involved a diplomat handing something to a north korean and why that matters. >>> and briefing room surprise. five advisers with one united message. how much did the press know? the line between work and life hasn't just blurred. it's gone. that's why you need someone behind you. not just a card. an entire support system. whether visiting the airport lounge to catch up on what's really important. or even using those hard-earned points to squeeze in a little family time. no one has your back like american express. so no matter where you're going... we're right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it. don

jim clyburn wouldn't do this without nancy pelosi blessing, first of all.e generational change a lot of younger meshes demanded. that said, he points out the significance having an african-american speaker would be hard to miss and generate a lot of support. democrats are in a bind with joe crowley's loss. nancy pelosi is not wrong when she says she is an extraordinarily accomplished legislator. the things she's pulled off on the floor for her party and behind the scenes. that's experience that is actually needed and that there aren't that many people in the democratic caucus have. >> we've heard, kasie, from people, democrats campaigning getting ready for the fall and people elected in special elections they would not support nancy pelosi, they've said. have you seen it inside the chamber? on capitol hill? hearing it out loud or just privately? >> sure. there's a reason we're asking these candidates what their position is on her, and gene robinson, i mean you know as well as anyone that she did see this challenge from tim ryan via seth moulton behind the s

i point out the jim clyburn situation. because he is supported by the congressional black caucus. 40 plus votes. they will probably vote as a bloc. they would probably gravitate toward him if pelosi and hoyer would step aside. david: she is formidable character. no doubt about it. bombshell announcement from sarah sanders at the podium that this guy, the former head of the cia, john brennan will lose his security clearance. never been done before. there are questions about his role in pushing this trump dossier, even before the fbi had it. there are questions about when he knew and what he knew about the spooks who were behind putting that together, particularly if any russians were involved. the president said in announcing the fact that he is security clearance is being removed, he said any benefits that senior officials might glean from consultations with mr. brennan are now outweighed by the risks posed by his erratic conduct and behavior. to which the folks inside the beltway are saying what, chad? >> i just talked to mark warner from virginia. he is the top democrat on the s

were to retake the house in november, do you think it is time for nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, and jim clyburn, for those leaders to step aside and allow for new leadership to rise through the ranks? neera: there has been a strategy around nancy pelosi. demonizing her and using her as dge, trying to reinvigorate tribalism among republicans by attacking her in the midterms, one reason people grasp on is she has been an effective leader for democrats. at the same time, it is important for us to have new avenues and paths for a new generation of leaders in the house and senate. i don't think that means pushing aside nancy pelosi or leaders, but it is important in these elections in 2018 -- what i think is incredible is how many fantastic candidates are running that are iraq war veterans, prosecutors, outside the political process. we have more women running the never before. you have a 1970's level of change with a new generation of leaders, and there should be a path for them. i don't think that means we should fall for a republican strategy of demonizing nancy pelosi. i say that as a person who

. >> i don't think jim clyburn is looking to challenge nancy pelosi.ow what is going to happen. we have a lot of people that could fill that seat. >> there's one single focus, winning the house back. talking about leadership or anything of that nature is premature. >> let's bring back kevin and sean. kevin, i want to start with you this time. what did you hear by the responses by the congressmen? >> they want to win back the house. they have the enthusiasm gap. republicans would disagree with that assessment. the second point is, there is a battle, a moving battle for the leadership of the democratic party. house leader nancy pelosi is going to have to make her case, should democrats win, she deserves to hold on to that seat. look, ohio, ohio, ohio is a bell state. >> what are you hearing about the efforts for a new speaker? >> kevin makes a great point. this underscores the division in the democratic party and the factions that are competing for power. we talk about the republicans divisions between trump allies and people critical of trump, conservat

retake thes were to house in november, do you think it is time for nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, and jim clyburn, for those leaders to step aside and allow for some new leadership to rise up in the ranks? been a strategy around nancy pelosi. asonizing her and using her a campaign wedge, trying to tribalismreinvigorate amongst republicans by attacking her in the midterms. one of the reasons why people go after her is she has been an effective leader for democrats, she was an incredibly effective speaker. it is important for us to have new avenues and new pathways for a new generation of leaders in the house and senate. push -- iat means don't think that means pushing aside particular leaders, but in these elections, what i think is incredible is how many fantastic candidates are really running. former prosecutors, war veterans, people outside the political process. more women running than ever before. this 1970 four change, where a new generation of leaders came in. there should be a path for them. i don't think we should basically fall for republican strategy, demonizing nancy pelosi. works forp

jim clyburn, her longtime number three, has said he is interested in it. a number of younger lawmakers. are there other lawmakers in the house that you think have what it takes to lead the democratic caucus, and do you think nancy pelosi be leading the party this time next year? sen. van hollen: i am a nancy pelosi fan. i think she was an incredibly effective speaker. you compare her record as speaker to any of the republican speakers who came after her, and it is one of accomplishment for nancy pelosi. she has been a very effective leader in the minority, taking advantage wherever possible with the fact that either speaker ryan or speaker boehner could not muster the votes of their caucus because of the tea party. she has been very clear. she is focused on the elections in 2018, as all of us are. as the country should be. and then the democratic caucus in the house will decide who the next leader is. but the key is to have a majority in the house of representatives. look, candidates on the campaign trail, they are free and should be. , to state their posi

78 years old she will be tied is the oldest speaker ever elected, the third ranking democrat jim clyburn doesn't have the votes he will run for speaker, he is 78. house minority whip steny hoyer is 79 giving the top three house democrats a combined age nearly as old as the republic itself. a fact not lost on the tween 9 current democratic house members who say they wouldn't support pelosi for speaker or the 46 house democratic candidates who feel the same way. republican candidates find success if they can define any democrat as a pelosi lackey. the speaker digs in her heels despite younger democrats wanting a new face. no question in terms of how powerful pelosi is as a fundraiser for a lot of candidates in heavily blue districts. >> she is always very confident, she knows how to raise the funds and seems confident she is not going anywhere. >> reporter: just ask her. shannon: let's ask democratic congressman david says illini. you heard about the sacramento be saying the republican party is clearly the party of donald trump, the democrat party cannot be seen as the party of nancy pelos

the democrat from south carolina, clyburn. host: jim clyburn.lyburn, heressman seems to be pretty good here in south carolina, holding his own in the midst of all the republican congressman elected. host: barbara is a democrat in baton rouge, louisiana. your thoughts of paint -- nancy pelosi as house minority leader? caller: i love nancy pelosi. this woman has worked the whole time she has been in service to help people think about their security,e, social helping them the best way she knows how and for someone to work so hard and to be a demagogue for years, i think she is a wonderful person and i would not care if democrats lost every race, as long as you keep the wind at your back and do what is right. we are all going to go over the cliff because people are lying to us and we have the worst .resident ever there is nothing we can do about that. i am just going to pray about it and those people at these rallies for trump, what are they doing? they are screaming about we don't want health care, we don't want social security, we don't want medic

clyburn. as a strong speaker if not nancy pelosi. mike: that is all the time we have.you very much. we will see how it all plays out in november. ebony: that does it for us. the news continues at the top of the hour. mike: stay tuned! ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪ and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands? arthel: we begin with the fox news alert. authorities nothing the airline employee who stole a plane and took off without authorization from seattle tacoma international airport was cleared to be among aircraft. the man who is not a pilot, believed to be the only person on board, flying erratically before crashing into a small island. now the dramatic incident is raising new concerns about security.hello everyone welcome to a brand new our inside "americas news headquarters" and my partner is back! still good to have you with us. i am eric shawn. team coverage on this

you had clyburn come out. he has taken offense at her. and i think there is something there that they are missing. again, that's the bernie sanders wing of your party that the establishment can ignore but i don't think the people will. >> i don't think they are ignoring it. they just had a meeting about what to do with the socialist wing of the party. alexandria ocasio-cortez was off that list because she doesn't need his endorsement at this point. she is going to win that race. she is also a democrat socialist. i think there would be -- it makes sense -- charles: she was number two or three in the party. he was so establishment he didn't even live in the district. >> he didn't debate her. he was someone who came out of nowhere. charles: what will muddle this even further is the influence of big-time money. we had the rnc money warning donors to steer away from the koch brothers threatening the trump cans. the sort of threats i heard, it's either our way or the trump voters way. now the rnc choosing to stick with the trump voter. the same

you've got nancy pelosi, jim clyburn, calling them out solely because of their age or do you think heresh blood at the top in. >> i think i'd much whether have a conversation on what our issues are, not someone's age. i think it's completely unfair to say someone is unfit to lead because they are 70. i would say it's an porn opportunity for us to look at our leadership across the board. i do think we have solid leadership. i think certainly all voices need to be reflected. i don't think someone's age stops them from reflecting the voice and the people in the party. >> there was an issue that popped up this week with governor andrew cuomo where he said that and he says later an artful expression america was never that great. he was talking about the campaign slogan of president trump. let's listen here to how she trying to clear that up. >> i want to be very clear, of course, america is great. of course, america has always been great no one questions that, as you know, my family is evidence of american greatness. >> okay. so the thing is, the president's slogan was let's make america g

i don't know if nancy pelosi and james clyburn can continue doing that. >> you got a name in mind? >> so i have said for a long time, i think tim ryan will try something. i think swalwell. there are several members of the congressional black caucus thinking about it right now. i'm fairly confident the new leadership with the democratic party will be a much more diverse leadership than perhaps in the past. >> do you expect nancy pelosi to be democratic leader come january? >> i question whether pelosi is a figure as radioactive as other -- as other political leaders in congress have been to help the other side. like she's not newt. newt was you know, very useful. she's not dole. she's not -- so i think the hope of republicans is that they can somehow threaten republican vote ares to might stay home with the possibility that nancy pelosi will be speaker and a lot of low information voters will say who's nancy pelosi. so if i'm right about that, then she doesn't have to be turned out because she won't be a figure, a lightning rod of controversy. it's not clear to me the democrats are

the third ranking democrat, jim clyburn, says if she doesn't have the votes, he would run for speaker minority web steny hoyer a 79. that gives the top three house democrats a combined age nearly as old as the republic itself, a fact not lost on the nine current democratic house members who say they wouldn't support pelosi for speaker or the 46 house democratic candidates who feel the same way. republican congressional candidates continue to find success if they can to find any democrat as a pelosi lackey. they just up the former speaker continues to dig in her heels despite younger democrats wanti. no question, though, in terms of how powerful pelosi is as a fund-raiser for the dnc and a lot of these candidates in heavily blue districts. >> shannon: when she is challenged, she is very confident, she is a master legislator, she knows how to raise the funds, and she seems confident that if they retake the house, she's not going anywhere. >> just ask her. >> shannon: lee lynn, thank you. so as minority leader pelosi is in jeopardy? was asked democratic congressman david cicilline. thank

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jim clyburn of south carolina, currently number three house democrat.lijah cummings and marsha fudge of ohio. how realistic do you think this is, and who would be your pick, symone? >> so, i am fans of all the folks equally, so, i'm not in a position to comment on that, don, but what i will say is, i think it's extremely realistic. there has been some decent in the caucus around leader pelosi. one could argue the case for new leadership if the democratic caucus, but someone needles to demonstrate they can raise the type of money that nancy pelosi has been able to raise. if someone comes along to do that, there could be an appetite for perhaps a challenge. >> so, quentin, i said before the break, we had a black president, yet to have a black speaker. you think it can be done? >> not only, you know, can it be done, i think it probably will be done. so, this year in the midterms, talking about the possibility of moving the black caucus from 48 members to 52, 54 even, depending on how the elections go. so, there's no way to get to 218 votes in the caucus wi

i don't know if nancy pelosi and james clyburn can continue doing that. >> you got a name in mind? long time, i think tim ryan will try something. i think swalwell. there are several members of the congressional black caucus thinking about it right now. i'm fairly confident the new leadership with the democratic party will be a much more diverse leadership than perhaps in the past. >> do you expect nancy pelosi to be democratic leader come january? >> i question whether pelosi is a figure as radioactive as other -- as other political leaders in congress have been to help the other side. like she's not newt. newt was you know, very useful. she's not dole. she's not -- so i think the hope of republicans is that they can somehow threaten republican vote ares to might stay home with the possibility that nancy pelosi will be speaker and a lot of low information voters will say who's nancy pelosi. so if i'm right about that, then she doesn't have to be turned out because she won't be a figure, a lightning rod of controversy. it's not clear to me the democrats are responding to pelosi in

that even includes potentially one of her former guys, james clyburn making waves tonight saying he'soesn't get the votes. he's been fighting for civil rights since he became a member of congress back in '93. >> let me look at this chart here to reenforce a point that you have just made. i think all of us will agree that there is, in fact, a phenomenon out here that can be called the angry white male. so nobody denying that there's anger out there, but that anger is not just among white people. it's among black people as well. >> any debate over who leads this party will turn on which new democrats get elected to congress. some rising progressive stars are campaigning on the promise of a new generation to replace today's d.c. democrats. >> i think that nancy pelosi is a formidable leader. i think she's done a great job for the democratic party. but i also believe that we're at a time where we need a generational shift in our leadership. >> you're saying you would not vote for nancy pe low silosi. >> i would not vote for nancy pelosi. >> that is jo hannah hayes. she was also 2016's nat

the reality was -- and actually, , wantedd, jim clyburn to become president and somebody .ad nominated him nominating you coming from the california delegation. he recognized, a smart politician and plus he can count. a smart politician then and he still is. he understands where the wind is blowing. that eva clayton b click -- be president for the first year. they accepted his proposal. and so essentially i served the first year of the term and he served the second. i guess we were copresident. workout for them. but if the women weren't there in numbers, regular order would have been the same regular order that a man would have with president. nothing wrong with a man being president, but if you have the capacity, and opportunity, a woman should use that capacity. shouldn't step back to say regular order to make a man go. >> what were the benefits of that is issue for your time in congress. it shouldn't have had more authority, but for me it was a greater sense of visibility and access between my class, the leadership and the president. they also probably used me to assemble the leader

jim clyburn friend wanted to become president and someone had nominated him. id he recognized -- he said, am a politician. he realized which way the wind was blowing. -- let evaosed clayton be the president for the first year and i will do the second year. and they accepted his proposal. theessentially, i served first term, first year of the term and he served the second year of the term. we got to be copresidents. it worked out for him. the women were there in memphis. eva clayton or anyone else. it was regular order. a man beingg with present. but if you have the numbers in the capacity and the opportunity , be willing to use that capacity. order, traditional and so forth. what were the benefits of that position in congress? ms. clayton: there was no authority, but there is a greater sense of visibility and access. there's the leadership as well as the president, and they probably used me to assemble the votership of my class to the party's ticket on the bills they were pushing. have about 40-some members in that class, a significant number . , the accessfit

going to be eva clayton, and she nominated me and the reality was -- and actually, my friend jim clyburn wanted to become president. and someone had nominated him prior to this nomination coming from the california delegation. and he recognized -- he's a smart politician and plus he can count. he was a smart politician then and he's a smart politician, otherwise he wouldn't be the whip. he understands where the wind is blowing and he proposed that let eva clayton be president for the first year and i'll serve the second year. and they accepted his proposal. and so essentially i served the first term -- first year of the term. he served a second year of the term. so i guess we were co-presidents, you know? but it worked out for him. but if the women weren't there in numbers, eva clayton or anyone else, regular order would have meant the same regular order that a man would be president. nothing wrong with a map being president, but if you have the numbers and you have the capacity and you have the opportunity a woman should use that capacity. and should step back just to say it, regular or

leaders in the democratic house caucus -- nancy pelosi, 78 years old, steny hoyer, 79 years old, james clyburn. you put those numbers together, you get 235, that's roughly the age of the republic itself. do democrats need to coalesce around new, younger leadership if they're going to win the house back come november? >> the answer to that question is absolutely not. you know, there aren't voters in my district in connecticut, and i don't think there's voters in ohio or colorado or california or wyoming who say, gosh, let's see, i've got a republican and a democrat, and what i really care about is what -- who's going to be the top three democratic leaders in the house of representatives. that's absurd. what they care about is who's going to help me educate my kids, who's going to create jobs -- leland: congressman, there are democrats, conor lamb, who won based on an ad in which he said i won't vote for nancy pelosi. other democrats on the air saying i won't vote for nancy pelosi. correct me if i'm wrong, but typically campaigns don't spend ad money on issues they don't think voters care about.