you didn't start back then, but you started in chicago with a fellow named -- >> clyde ross. clyde ross, who is in his early 90s now and one of the essential theses of the piece is that we tend to think of segregation and jim crow. and we see, you know, separate but equal. we see separate water fountains, separate bathrooms and i wanted to deepen that and say that the relationship is actually different. it's not merely excluding somebody. it's the taking of resources from one group for the betterment of another group and this happens in all sorts of ways. slavery is obviously the most direct way, but clyde ross, who was born in mississippi, literally has his family's land taken out from underneath of him and reduced to sharecropping. when you talk about mississippi, and you say african americans not having the right to vote, this is not, like, a symbolic thing. this is the right to see how your tax dollars are used. it actually has effects on your life and he saw that, and he moved north. he went, served in world war ii, noticed that things were a little different in the coun