cmac if you use the bad 11 times, it will have a lower than a year's worth of disposable grocery bags that are plastic. if you do by this buy this reusable product and you use it correctly, throughout its life, it is a wise environmental choice. a wise choice. if you use a plastic bag, then you are worse off then -- >> the point is that one time, you would get fabric reusable bags that would switch to plastic. with fabric, at least you can wash it and wash it. >> i have bags that i got 15 years ago that are still usable. if you keep are using and reusing them, they start to deteriorate, and you have to get new ones. i don't know if that is such a good thing, because again, we are increasing the trash and also the plastic byproduct, as opposed to, like you said, something that can be repaired. or like the mesh bags. people would get mesh bags to carry the groceries in. particularly, in france. it is very to find hard to find a mesh bag. they really promote the plastic bag and they are not ecologically sound. there is also a point where there isn't -- as we said in this title, there don