talking about iran if not being a black hole, but a gray hole which he shares with north coare's. >> exactly. >> other agencies who were on the iran desk who have never set foot on the ground and they will ask me questions because i have been there a dozen times. >> christian, it's interesting that mark said he senses there has been a shift in the european attitude because of what the trump administration is saying. you interviewed emmanuel mac ron from france. did you get a sense from him that he wants to fix it as opposed to keeping it going? >> well, they don't want to reopen it or renegotiate it. they know it can't happen. the eu foreign policy chief who i also interviewed in the u you n summit is speaking. her headline is that no one country can terminate or pull out of this 2015 iran nuclear deal. that's their position. as i said, president mac ron said they would be interested in seeing if they can extend certain clauses. as was explained, there are decades of proi had bigs on iran as it exists right now. if it's possible to increase them, people would love it. if it's at the