tom coburn mentioned something about the phone calls coming to the office.e phone calls. i haven't heard such vile obscene language. i am not saying ted cruise is responsible, but he tapped into a dark strain here in the american committal psyche here. the most obscene subject you can imagine and often people say they support the constitution. say that. i would say the majority of supporters are good people. i had good republicans come up to me and say defund it. that's all you have to do. >> that's horrible. >> sam? >> i'm switching back to the debt limit. the house vote will include a one-year delay in implementation. $120 million cuts and the construction of keystone pipeline and more offshore drilling and federal regulations on grown house gasses and the possibility of a late term abortion. why not include language invalidating that and secondly, is this not an unreasonable opening bid for an author on something everyone agrees needs to be raised. >> i hadn't thought about the 2012 election. >> that's included. >> no problem. very seriously, this is all

coburn.thank you. i have a statement that led to place on the record. -- i would like to place on the record. >> one of the editorials in the new york times talked about the lack of focus. the focus on lots of committees rather than single committees of jurisdiction. i noticed difficult for homeland all the to answer questions. that is one of the things we ought to change. the frustration is that we cannot get answers. i'm sure is not intentional. sometimes it is. we are asking for so much information all the time. people will ever boys that homeland security cannot do their job -- who have responsibilities at homeland security cannot do their job. the other concern i have with homeland security is that it has turned into an all-hazards agency. it has abandoned risk-based policies. is,ing money where risk rather than where risk isn't. the politicians in washington are accounting for that. , therepening statement are a large number of areas where we are incompetent. metrics or thehe effectiven

chairman, senator coburn, members of the committee. thank you for the opportunity to testify this morning. like secretary ridge, for the record, i'm not representing any particular entity. i'd note, however, that the op-ed piece that was published by lee hamilton and tom keane was part of an aspen sponsored part of the department of homeland security and i'm part of that task force, as part of the disclosure. i'm here to be comrades jane harman and stu baker. these are people i've worked with over the years and consider them friend and role models. glad to be here with them. it's hard not to sit here this morning and not recall the events of 12 years ago. and what's transpired since the interim. i was the coast guard on 9/11, and what happened that day was something i never thought i'd see and that is a coast guard cutter off manhattan with the guns uncovered. it was a chilling sight. we closed the port of new york. we closed the potomac river north of the woodrow wilson bridge and resupplied ground zero because there was problem getti

coburn. at 11:00, there's going to be a gathering of members of congress, for member of congress, i think on the east steps of capitol, for an observance. my hope is to work right up to just before that time and hopefully we'll be in position to adjourn, if we're not, i may ask you to adjoush briefly and come back within an hour. i know at least one of you has a tight schedule. all right. i want to briefly introduce our first -- not so briefly the first witness. tom ridge and i came to the house together in 1982. 30 years ago today we were both in our mid 20's. maybe early 20's. but we ended up serving on the we served in the vietnam war together. he had a real distinction. just a hero. and very modest about it. we ended up on the banking committee together. i think in the 102nd congress we ended up leading the banking committee, we had a subcommittee on economic stabilization and people said to me, tom, in the past years, what did you accomplish in those two years that you and top ridge led

chairman, senator coburn, members of the committee. thank you for the opportunity to testify this morning. like secretary ridge, for the record, i'm not representing any particular entity. i'd note, however, that the op- ed piece that was published by lee hamilton and tom keane was part of an aspen sponsored part of the department of homeland security and i'm part of that task force, as part of the disclosure. i'm pleased to be comrades jane harman and stu baker. these are people i've worked with over the years and consider them friend and role models. glad to be here with them. it's hard not to sit here this morning and not recall the events of 12 years ago. and what's transpired since the interim. i was the coast guard on 9/11, and what happened that day was something i never thought i'd see and that is a coast guard cutter off manhattan with the guns uncovered. it was a chilling sight. we closed the port of new york. we closed the potomac river north of the woodrow wilson bridge and resupplied ground zero because there was problem g

coburn. before introduced eyewitnesses i would note of the conduct at 11:00 will be a gathering of members of congress on the steps of the capitol for an observance and my hope is we can work out right up to just before the time, and hopefully we will be in a position to conclude, to adjourn. and if not i may ask you to adjourn very briefly and come back for about a half-hour. hopefully we can be done. i know at least one of you has a tight schedule herself. all right. i just will briefly introduce -- not separately the first witness. tom ridge and i came to the house together in 1982. actually 1983, 30 years ago today. we were both in the mid '20s. maybe early '20s. but we ended up serving on, we both served in the vietnam war's together. a real distinction, and very modest about. we ended up on the banking committee together. i think we ended up leaving on the banking committee company subcommittee on economic stabilization. people said what did you accomplish in those years on the committe

krauthammer has, coburn, scott walker.ll of the people h he calls members of the surrender caucus. we we are all against obamacare. we think it is bad for america, bad for business, the wrong way to deliver health care to america. we think there is a better way to do it. that doesn't mean we have to agree with one of the stupidest tactics i have ever seen in modern american b politics. to run into fixed bayonets. this is, again, willy geist, this is like someone looked at old films of bud wilkinson and said the coach was great, he won 5 straight games in h a row and deid sided last night since the wishbone worked for bud, we'll implement the wishbone h in the nfl in september of 2013. it's a tactic that won't work. it's obvious on its face. >> it's a tactic that won't work, gene, and it allows harry reid to not address concerns about obamacare. it allows reid to call republicans anarchists, nancy pelosi to call republicans arsonists. that's the frustration. the republicans are all painted with the ted cruz brush. >> they a

do you feel any responsibility to do anything about that. >> i think ultimately as senator coburn just said, there are mechanisms to ensure that people who have serious mental illnesses don't get guns. there are tons of laws on the book that address this fact as well. i think we have a crisis in america when it comes to dealing with serious mental illness and we should focus on that. >> all right. well, congressman, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> appreciate you coming by. >> thank you very much. >> back in a minute with former secretary of state henry kissinger. stay with us. >> schieffer: woo the russians and the united states now working together on getting if rid of syria's chemical weapons and with iran's new leader headed to the u.n. with peace feelers, i thought it was time to check in with henry kissinger and as he has often done during 60 years on the world stage, the former secretary of state had some valuable insights. i found him less than enamored with the process that got the united states and russia to the same place on syria's weapons, but now that we are there, he

coburn well-known for.senator coburn is a model, as you know. we are in the senate -- [laughter] i want to thank both of you for putting together this legislation on very urgently-needed remedy to a very serious situation in a broad variety of ways. i thank you both for working this out. i look forward to supporting it in any way that i have possibly can. you made an interesting comment, five years ago, the whole means of communication, five ten years ago in america was vastly different than it is today. which i think you could argue five or ten years from now it may be, again, very different from what it is today. you made the argument, i think it's vailed, we have to have an enormous amount of aguilty in order to keep up with these incredibly ever-changing methods of communication. is that an argument, in your mind, to privatetize postal service? >> the united states, so far, picked a different route. it has been -- >> chosen a different route; right? >> they have in a halting manner. they are sort of goi

but as you mentioned, we have had some of my colleagues, senator coburn and mccaskill -- >> but where do you get it? i mean it is staggering, these numbers, why doesn't somebody actually go after it and get that money and stop it? >> well, i think you have got to through the budget process. you have to make the hard decisions. obviously, we haven't passed a budget for what, five years now in the congress? the house of representatives has passed a budget. they passed a budget that is balanced, making hard decisions about spending and debt. but we can't get one through the senate and you have a president who i think is very much an advocate of liberal tax and spend policies. but you have to make those hard decisions. and so far there has not been the political will to do that. but one other point, you talked about reducing in spending, the conservatives believe we ought to do it. democrats want to raise taxes. but the other thing you have to do is grow and expand the economy. when the economy is expanding and growing, people are making money, investing, paying more taxes. you want to ge

. >> how did we get to the point where peter king and tom coburn sound like pod rmoderate republ. >> it's about a civil war in the republican party and the people like ted cruz and people, as you said, amazingly in a way like tom coburn, and people who see what the government has to do here in moving forward on some of these budget arguments. >> and nobody has a more conservative rating than tom coburn. >> he's one of the most conservative guys in the federal government and the the people on the right are trying to portray him as a rhino. it's absurd. >> we're in a very strange spot for the republican party and a real identity crisis and it's something that the republican party was fighting with and struggling with in the primaries last year with the presidential election and clearly, it will be a big factor in 2016. >> nick christoph wrote about this today ski want to read a bit about his column. the right wing echo chamber breeds extremism, intimidates republican moderates and misleads people into thinking that their world view is broadly shared. that's the information bubble that

, which senator coburn is very well known for, is well, senator coburn is a model as you nkoknwow of here in the senate. of yount to thank both for putting together this legislation on a very urgently seriousemedy to a very situation in a broad friday of ways. i -- variety of ways. i look forward to supporting it in any way i possibly can. mr. williams you made a very interesting comment. five years ago that the whole means of communications in america was vastly different than it is today, which i think you could argue that five or 10 years from now it may be again very different from what it is today. argument thatthe we have to have an enormous amount of agility in order to ever-p with these changing methods of communication. is that an argument in your mind to privatize the postal service? date, united states, to has picked a different route, -- >> the europeans have chosen a different route. >> they have in a halting manner, they are going for it as quickly as they can and they pause when they need to. the united states has joined with the private sector in a public-private part

it's not possible. >> tom coburn, is that who ted cruz and the poem call the surrender monkey?ing with one another dragging it out here. i think this points to in addition to the tactical fight that nicole pointed to is a real generational and cultural shift where you have younger lawmakers elected in the tea party of 2010 saying we were e et cetera welled because we promised not to surrender and compromise. that's what they were doing. they talk to voters and the voters say do not give in. we don't like this law and you better carry out what we elected you to do. we have an older jepration of lawmaker who is i had a long conversation with bob bennett, the former senator from utah. i think he summed up the frustrations when he said these people, this nower generation lives in a world of experience and it's hard to reason with them. >> briefly what happens about days from now? the house bill goes to the senate. harry reid will strip out the defunding language and it goes back to the house. what is the house left with? at that point with only a couple days or hours left with an a

emails flying left and right because what ted cruz just made a fool of himself here by calling tom coburn and people like that surrender monkeys and members of the surrender caucus and last night it was laughable. they are saying what we've been saying for months while they go out to raise money for themselves and getting mailing lists for presidential campaigns. >> ted cruz and mike lee showed how serious their error was by doing something senators rarely do, walked over to the house side. they are badly mishandling their own public relations and certainly with certain categories of republicans in the media they hurt themselves but still very popular with some house republicans wasn't the conservative movement. so i think you can overstate how bad a move this is but for ted cruz he can be a dominant force in american politics and not just a niche force. every choice he's made has put him more even more a niche. >> a niche force within his own party. he's start ad civil war in his party and he's not the majority. colleagues in the house have been outraged. hill staffers are calling the se

coburn said dishonest.he republicans over there -- >> that's not anarchist or the anti-christ. >> they are trying to put out the fire the house started. you have a lot of senate republicans running away from this. >> we'll see. it will be interesting. katie, the one person who, frankly, i now admire. every republican ran and they all said they would reveal obamacare and replace it. i can't think of one that didn't. here's ted cruz holding his party accountable to their pledge, their promise as a public servant. you have all the milquetoast, liberal tv pundits, tv hosts. even republicans feeding chris wallace talking points to smear ted cruz. he's the target. what's your reaction? i like what he's doing. >> i like what he's doing, too. i'm happy to see not only just a republican but a politician who ran on something that he's actually coming to washington and doing. that's one of the biggest frustrations among the american people when it comes to elect ed officials. they tell them one thing when running and

and what i am saying directly is what other people like tom coburn are saying politely.olicy which is not intellectually honest. selling a false bill of goods to the american people. using that joe over the sum r to put pressure on solid conservative republicans in their districts if they didn't support defunding they were rhinos not real conservatives, not real republicans. >> so, there is a republican house member going on tv saying a republican senator is a fraud. >> yeah, that's very significant because ted cruz was lying this week. and it's one thing to say, we want to have more intense opposition to obama care. they could try to do that. it is the law of the land. if they said anything to the president. he could veto it. there are rules, precedents here that are going to restrict them from having the progress. then when you have their members go out and say, basically, i am performing a filibuster which he was not doing. a vote for cloture is vote for obama care. ted cruz lied repeatedly to his are de supporters. that tells us a tremendous amount about him as a pol

coburn has worked a lot on these issues, i have too. i think there are three ways to put our country on the right track. one of those is we need to overhaul entitlement programs anyway to save money, save these programs, and does not -- the least of these in our society. the second thing we need to do is raise some revenues. hopefully we get by doing more on the tax exclusion side, and eliminating a lot of tax breaks, some of them with the least productive rates. the third thing we need to do is what we are talking about here. we need to -- almost everything we need to do, ask this question -- how do we get a better result for less money? the postal service cannot continue to be a burden on the treasury and tax revenue. we had a meeting yesterday, and one of the discussions is how can we most help get the economy moving even stronger? some people had different ideas. for my money, i think the best way to do it is to demonstrate in a large part to the business community, we are not hiring people who sit on a lot of cash that we can gover

my bellwether on this is senator tom coburn, who was hassled at hess town hall meeting. in august go to town hall meetings. he is a roommate of senator mike lee in the famous house on capitol hill, and he had to tell his constituents and try to explain why he didn't sign the letter and why you cannot defund obama care. republicans created this monster among their constituents saying you can, but coburn is trying to explain and to his roommate mike lee, the difference between mandatory and discretionary funding. >> exactly. also how democracy works. it amazes me -- this rally is taking place right now. we're dealing -- there is ted cruz, potentially a 2016 nominee. we're talking about the international community coming together to decide what to do about a very serious situation in the middle east that engages a number of actors regionally and partners and allies in the west. and the republicans, the conservative base of the republican party is still obsessed with obama care. enrollment begins october 1st. is this the last gasp. >> you've got to have some sympathy for the

senator tom coburn as republican as they get and someone he knows. to call a republican senator and try. >> i agree about the senate republicans. about 20 of them voted with the democrats last week. they are as unhappy as the rest of us are and you see them on the sound bytes. they confronted it. >> the notion that these are human beings. the notion that president obama couldn't try to lead his way out of this is ridiculous. he's the president of the united states. >> it's clear that the model for the next year and a half, you make deals with senate republicans and put pressure on them to say here's a bipartisan senate deal, you will have to do something. that puts more pressure than they have right now. >> how many people does ted cruz represent. >> he speaks for the passions of many, many people. i can't tell you how many, but he has -- i would predict he will shoot to the top of every poll of republicans in all the early primaries. i have been giving them hope that they will stand up to this white house. he has a lot of supporters. they are for ve

you have tom coburn, and tom coburn is no squish. >> strict conservative. >> this is strategic suicide. >> keep in mind, there is a general strategy that is a political strategy by the party officials to move this legislation or to block legislation, and then there is the personal strategy which tends to fall a little bit more into the ted cruz camp, which puts him in the position, he's the driver, he's the main focus of the debate. it's not the issue, it's not the substance of the argument. it is what the man himself is all about. and so, i think what ted needs to do at this point, you got our attention. now back off. and begin to bring the leadership around to a different kind of solution -- >> but there's no -- that's the thing -- >> there's nobody doing that, right. >> i don't think he understands. obviously, everyone says what a smart guy he's been and i actually have seen him argue in the supreme court, i was blown away by how good he was, but he doesn't seem to understand the procedure at play here. like, the things he was telling chris wallace in the interview this sunday didn'

other high-profile republicans, like senator rand paul of kentucky, and senator tom coburn of oklahoma, are saying the g.o.p. just done have the ability to stop or defund obamacare. >> we heard a lot of tough talk going into the weekend, and of course we heard some fresh reaction. what are the president and his allies saying about the measure to defund the healthcare law. >> they say the republicans want to deny health care coverage to millions of people. the president him saying the g.o.p. defund egg effort, quote, it is not going to happen. this in spite of polls showing the majority of american people do oppose obamacare. >> i'm not surprised there's confusion. these guys have one running around the country, demagoguing, scare mongering on this issue. they're not afraid it's going to be unsuccessful. they're afraid it's going to be successful. >> u.s. senate expected to act sometime this week. harris and. >> steve, thank you. >> iran's new president, changed his tune a bit. now he is talking tough. remember last week's term offensive and how nice he was and we'll meet with you and b

coburn: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from oklahoma. mr. coburn: thank you. i've spent a lot of time the last few weeks listening. last night the senator from texas made a big point that members of congress, in his opinion, were not listening to the american people. i have a lot of experience at listening as a physician. that's what i got paid to do. i think what senator cruz and some of his allies in the senate, their motives are pure, their tactics are tremendously erroneous, in my opinion, but i want to draw a picture for new a minute about this idea of listening and what it means. even though i disagree with their tactics, i admire their spirit and their vigor. i've spent a lot of nights having delivered 4,000 babies, i've had a lot of sleepless nights. i've gone two and three days with two or three hours of sleep over that period of time to care for people. but i would make this point. as a physician, the first thing you're taught in medical school is listen to your patient and they'll tell you what's wrong with them. and so do you have to spend time lis

there are senators like tom c e coburn and vitter who have put together these things for a delay. pointing out how members of congress and their staff are trying to put loopholes in the law that exempt them. that is where obama care is vulnerable. that's where the leave raverage be had and used. >> what about cruz? some of this is -- he's almost clear in saying he would like to run in 2016 and this is helping raise his profile to run for president. did he help his personal political stature this week? >> well, that remains to be seen. i mean, let's focus on the fact that there was an enormous political element here. to run for president, you need an enormous amount of national publicity and you need it fast. there's a school of thought that says if you can get in there early and perhaps win in iowa, in new hampshire, you immediately become the odd es on favorite for the nomination. if it's a bloodless strategy, he's doing a good job of running it. look, we're living in a media age and the media loves media savvy celebrities. so far are he's showing he has that ability. >> kip what

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the one that i supported the most was one that tom coburn and richard burt pullet out there. it was a very good plan, cost nowhere near the money that obam aa care is going to cost, and also didn't have they hid is not taxes. some of them are over, but there's a lot of hidden taxes in there that we agreed ought to be repealed. the medical device tax, a lot of piano people don't understand on home sales, there will ultimately be a tax on there to pay for obama care. part of the student loan money was to pay for part of health care, so there's just an awful love the hidden taxes out there that people are all of a sudden going to realize they have to pay to fund this monster bill. >> why should we have an exercise where people are literally ready to shut the government down and default on our full faith and credit of the united states to relitigate an issue we should be debating outside of the crisis. >>> we're going to talk about that more. ted cruz just wasted the last day, which means republicans are getting closer to a huge problem. senator chambliss, i want to know what you

jeremy coburn says a diplomatic solution is the only way to save syria from slipping into complete chaos. britain has not decided has decided not to go in the u.s. congress has yet to vote on the subject and the result position to it all in france so maybe this is the opportunity for a serious of radical initiative involving russia as well as western europe united states and obviously the gulf cooperation countries otherwise the u.s. will very involved there will be probably will be further killing the further mayhem and the record of afghanistan and iraq where those with western involvement there has not been a peaceful solution but has been one of continuous destabilization and. the syrian army has send reinforcements including tanks to the village of mali which has been at the forefront of heavy clashes this week and ancient christian century has been besieged by al-qaeda affiliated rebels since wednesday which is wary of an arson that has gained access to the stricken area we entered my lul or through its ancient gauge burnt and damaged in recent attacks shortly after the syrian army

jeremy coburn says a diplomatic solution is the only way to save syria from slipping into complete chaos britain has not decided has decided not to go in the u.s. congress has yet to vote on the subject and the result position to it all in france so maybe this is the opportunity for a serious attempt right initiative involving russia as well as western europe united states and obviously the gulf cooperation countries otherwise u.s. will get involved there will be probably will be further killing me further my. the record of afghanistan and iraq where the west involvement has not been a peaceful solution but it's been one of continuous destabilization and. as the u.s. congress they remain split on whether to attack syria and the latest polls show most americans oppose the intervention there's been a fresh and to all rally in washington as hundreds of calls for restraint from the white house. much of the public remains unconvinced to even washington's claims that it has added ins implicating the syrian government and the deadly use of chemical weapons but president obama maintains he still

that's something senator tom coburn talked to me about on friday. he said republicans are going to hold like hotcakes once the government shuts down. but i think that there is some risk for democrats. senate majority leader harry reid has sort of refused, he's drawn a line in the sand, he's refused to budge at all on this. the thinking goes that, this is a short-term spending deal, it really only funds the government for a month and a half, maybe two months, depending where they decide to set the date. if they're not going to stand and fight how are they going to handle a larger conversation like the debt ceiling? but i think that at this point there are definitely voices who are saying, you know, democrats are going to need to be cautious too. because every shutdown is different. and at this point, trust in government is so low. frankly, congress' ratings are so low that it's not out of the realm of possibility -- >> can't get any lower. >> democrats could take some blame, yes. but they're certainly working very hard to push them as low as possible

it seems at this point as we are hearing from peter king and tom coburn, it's not clear whether or not the entire party has the strum for this do they? >> the party does not have the stomach for it, erica. look. we have seen all week a battle within the republican party. this is not a fight right now between democrats and republicans. this is a fight within the republican party that they are trying to resolve. the speaker is trying to head off these members of his caucus who are pushing toward the shutdown that would occur if we don't get a deal on monday ni t night. >> i bring up again senator kto coburn. he was in the house in the 90s when a government shutdown looming again. this is a quote here. you do not take a hostage you are not going to for sure shoot. we will for sure not shoot this hostage. in turn, could republicans be shooting themselves in the foot? >> no question about it. the entire republican leadership knows that. they have been trying to head off this strategy for weeks and have been unsuccessful of the zeal of this very small group of people within the republican ca

there is a report prepared for tom coburn that made the point it doesn't stop it substantially.unds have been no small part, already appropriatated or spent. the effort to defund obamacare would need to happen legislatively. obviously, that's not going to happen. >> so it's this frenzy chris matthews is talking about. it's a frenzy, it's not -- >> well, right. what i have not understood, it's sort of like, okay, what if you get what you want? the reason this felt simply just an attempt to build a fundraising list and build a friend and all that stuff is they don't have this, okay, they don't talk about the replaced portion of it. i have to say, when you actually look at this. i know, you talk to the republicans, they say they don't like this law, they don't like this law. okay. let's say you get your wish and repeal it. you are not going to see another attempt to work with in this system of the insurance companies and within the system of basically employer-based health care. the only other thing that's going to happen is medicare for all or medicare for most. you know, ultimate

. >> that is why a lot of republicans, there already no liberals like tom coburn of oklahoma. he is one of the fiscally conservatives on capitol hill. he says, look, elections have consequences. we only have the house ofs are. we don't have a full branch of government. what are we going to do about it? i agree with both the speaker and david what ted cruz has done is absolutely energized the conservative base and no question that was what this was about. to get people pushing the dial, pushing people like peter king who the speaker is right, he did ends up begrudgingly voting for this, in order to do this. but that really has caused a very deep risk within the republican party, which is why leaders here wanted ted cruz to stop, did not want him to do this. because, yes, people are talking about obamacare and some of the substance, but people are also talking about the republican party. >> piers morgan asked about the shutdown in the mid-'90s and his relationship with you. >> we work it out when he was trying to run me out of town when we were working together. i now it was a e

oklahoma's tom coburn. >> i think it's a great attempt to raise the issue of some of the weaknesses and the problems with obama care. but it's not a tactic that we can actually carry out and be successful. >> reporter: if the house and senate are unable to reach an agreement by october 1st, millions of federal workers deemed nonessential will be furloughed with no guarantee they'll get back pay when the government reopens. social security checks and veterans benefits would go out but possibly late since fewer workers will be available to process the payments. national parks and museums would be closed. the senate vote is expected to take place later this week. >>> apple announces record breaking sales. they've nearly doubled the 5 million iphones apple sold during the first three days of the iphone five when it was on sale last year. >>> time now for a quick look at some of the stories you will find tomorrow on the baltimore sun. a preview of the city's second largest convention of the year natural products expo east which opens on thursday. >>> and a look ahead to what we're lookly to