john cochrane. well, you can have a different name and to be memorable in that way anyhow, i'll share a few thoughts, maybe fill a data point or two that the john cochrane probably just didn't have time to get to. and then talk a bit about. the great depression, where i think our conversation is going next. so mr. charles opened our panel saying that there's a myth that the 1920s exuberance you often hear caused the great depression. it was a necessary correction, that of this sort of out of control environment, both in the way people lived and the way they invested and way that they ran their businesses in their lives, had cause of crash. and that was the retribution for the irresponsibility of the era. well, the evidence doesn't really seem suggest that out, but the myth continues. in fact, just just the last day or two, i saw a tweet from a well-known tweeter, and it said those who praise calvin coolidge remind me of a story of the man who jumped of the top of the empire state building. and as he

with evan cochran scheduled to appear before the grand jury in d.c. today, the big question will be, does evan corcoran plead the fifth? does he invoke his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination because he was complicit in the crimes of donald trump, or was he used unwittingly by donald trump, which wouldn't give him a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, because his truthful testimony would not incriminate him. that is going to be a really major distinction between if he pleads the fifth, jack smith's team will have to decide do they immunize evan corcoran, extinguish his fifth amendment right and compel him to testify about the crimes of donald trump. if they do that, they would all but forgo the possibility of prosecuting evan corcoran for his complicity in those crimes. so, today will be a pretty big day, not only in the course of the investigation, but frankly in the life of evan corcoran. >> and, meanwhile, glen, just trying to keep track of all these, we're hearing new comments from the judge overseeing the e. gene carrol

my name is shaylyn cochran. i'm chief of staff in the civil rights division and i am alberto ruisanchez, chief of the division's immigrant and rights section. together we will be co-hosting the program this afternoon. it's an honor to be with all of

basically that trump lied to cochran or cochran was part of q misleading the government through, yourneys. the judge writes the doj showed that the former president committed criminal violations or at least enough evidence of that to pierce the privilege. meanwhile, on the trump side, they're saying the report itself is false and, quote, illegally leaked. the big news is a judge that's independent, separate from a prosecutor,e1 ruling against trp here. we may learn a lot more soon who lied to who, why a whether there are crimes. >>> now, when we come back, i'm not kidding, we're going to get into the bagels in - stay with me. use it to set and track your goals, big and small... and see how changes you make today... could help put them within reach. from your first big move to retiring poolside and the other goals along the way wealth plan can help get you there. j.p. morgan wealth management. it's daylight saving time. what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? ♪marching band music♪ scotts daylawn saving is the biggest deal of the year. stock up early and save up

cochran, the lawyer, the information that's in thexd certification?r to commit a crime, there is no attorney client privilege. and mr. cochran has to testify about who told him that the documents have all been retm$[■ and she went further according to thisw3i] reporting and said notes, recordings, beçó turned over. mr. cochran was apparently in the grand jury yesterday in d.c. responding to the prosecutors questions. so what happened in the çómanaft case i suspect is going to happen here, which is the lawyer completely gaveÑi it up and sai paul manafort told me exactly what to say and i repeated it to the government$$u$at lawyer had notes of everything that had been told to her by mr. manafort which she then repeated to us. so he's going to be in the same position. that is goingc4vt what i think is really devastating evidence if he, you have his own lawyer saying i learned this and that is just a plain case of obstruction. >> and u case ofe1 donald trump inxd thi state case is different from the federal case in that michael cohen, who was the lawyer a

in this case, either cochrane was a winning or unwitting accomplice to him.earch. we know that cochrane wrote an affidavit that he then had someone else sign, that of course was suspicious to me. i want to say, i'm not convinced that he wasn't actively engaged and knowingly was refusing to sign it because he knew it wasn't true, or at least suspected it wasn't true. then christina did sign it. she actually caveat it saying that based on information that i have been provided, she didn't do the search and so she didn't claim that she had personal knowledge. these are things that we have to watch for and see how it plays out. either way, it is not a good look for donald trump and quickly could lead to a very clear cut case against him for obstruction. >> talk about the significance of this reporting, ordering corcoran to hand over a number of records to what was described as trump's alleged scheme. invoices, transcriptions, personal audio recordings, and also now hearing the fact that chief of staff mark meadows, his former running mate miller. they're having to

john cochrane. his portrait is there. cochrane was one of the leading inoculation in the colies. he advertised in newspapers, had inoculated thousands of of o patients, was one of t most well-known well binoculars had done mass iculations. and along with william shippen, who was a profsor at will become the university of pennsylvania professor of surgery. they were constantly in washinon's ear tling him we can inoculate cochrane saying i've inoculated large numbers. we can do it. it won't spread the disease. we can do it quickly and easily. washington. starts softening,specially after the victories at trenton, princeton in january 1777. washington is still wondering about the logistics, how they will pull it off if they have enough clothing and bedding to do it. ultimately, washington realized that his recruitment numbers were low. soldiers were staying aw because of thfear of smallpox. the soldiers were demanding it. his advisers were confidenit would work, and washington changed his mind. this is what we don't give george washington enough credit for. it's not only that he orde

its grid is stabilizing energy provider cochran air. go said there's been no power deficit in ukraine for the last 18 days, but russia's constant tax are threatening the surviving energy infrastructure. now, ukraine's minister of energy was in zagreb to meet with several european counterparts to discuss efforts to strengthen ukraine and europe's energy security . and also shows of course, renewables and we could sink about solar 1st wind, of course, and that is also the ah, solution for greek decentralization of the generation sued. and even from the military threats for russians. if we could imagine that next winter was still will be in war and they could to thank us again. them in the energy sector again and again. ah, it's very hot to target so many so many facilities around the country, even when they could use missiles or to talk to us more about energy support for ukraine. i'm joined now by the u. s. assistant secretary of state for energy resources jeffrey piatt in washington. jeffrey, thanks for joining me. ukraine's energy infr

so do you remember that proclamation that i mentioned that cochran had done back in april of 1814? well, the british forces still were kind of lingering in the chesapeake. they were completely out. two days after madison signs the signs a ratified the treaty 21 year old who sent a hall and her daughter letty and five others escaped their enslavement on george loker's state indigo's, maryland. they boarded the british frigate hannah. lucy's husband jacob who's enslaved by someone else was already there and they escaped to the ship and they were resettled later in nova scotia now, i don't don't know a lot about lucy per se but the reason why i bring her up is because of her legacy her legacy through her son, so lucy and and her husband jacob ended up having a son named william hall back in 18 and 1827. william would go on to join the british military and become the first black person the first nova scotian the first canadian sailor to earn the victorian cross for bravery. so i thought that that was i just could not not tell that story. it's something i learned recently. i mean done t

and then cochran are again this time the 2 hand jam and the foul. >> day for copper. you've got to see that one. again. he led creighton with 22 points. they win. 86 to 75. but hey, got a shout out. princeton, incredible showing truly the best fairytale run of this year's tournament. let's talk some spring training giants and royals down in arizona. this much over in the bottom of the first inning when mj melendez hit a solo home run over one of the fence is a little hard to tell which you can't really tell by the camera one u.s. nothing field. >> royals lead later in the inning. edward olivares cranks a 2 run. homer again over one of the fences we can see which one again, 3, nothing royals. both homers were off. tristan back royals in bit of a snoozer 3. nothing win. white sox visiting the a's at camp park. we go to the top of the first man on for you on moncada slices, a shot out to right center. that's no chance for a stay so that is a 2 run. homer. watch the stocks up. 2, nothing in the caught again tags. a low liner to center. but ruiz makes a great diving catch

court just handed special counsel jack smith a victory within the last 30 minutes ruling that evan cochran, the president's attorney in the classified documents probe, must produce documents that include communications with former president trump dealing with this conversations regarding the classified documents. now he wants appeared before the grand jury. we're talking about the grand jury here in washington d.c., not the case in new york. sources say evan cochran declined to answer questions about private conversations he had with trump before this grand jury. now in june, he claimed trump's team found no more classified material after a diligent search of the premises. we're waiting to see if they appeal to the supreme court. abc news says part of the special probe that trump misled his attorneys about the documents. it's a charge the campaign denies. trump held the phone call with secretary state brad raffensperger following the 2020 election where trump could be heard saying, i just want to find 11,780 votes. grand jury convenemonths ago to look at potential crimes relating to trying

and cochran are again this time the 2 hand jam in the foul. want to see that one again. he led creighton with 22 points as they cruised to an 86 75 win. what an incredible showing by princeton. this postseason, truly the best fairytale run of this year's tournament. >> our final game of the night, former arizona head coach sean miller and his 3 seed xavier squad meeting up with to see texas. there's a longhorn. no surprises in this game. long words in control from the start. marcus carr gets denied with his 3 point shot, gets it back and then hits the crazy trey to beat the clock. texas up 17 at the break and more the same in the 2nd half texas car with the ball inside throws up the alley-oop pass to christian bishop who throws down the jam that put xavier and its fans right to sleep. longhorns. take down the musketeers. 83 to in spring training giants and royals down in arizona. the game was pretty much over in the bottom of the first inning, mj melendez. it's a solo home run over one of the fences, at least that's what the announcer said. you really can't tell from thi

then he added trump's lawyers, evan cochrane, testify in washington d.c.friday for more than three and a half hours before a grand jury investigating president trump's handling of sensitive and classified government documents found at mar-a-lago. cochrane was forced to testify after the judge ruled there was sufficient evidence that he committed a crime, through his attorney to that case. this is a lot, y'all. joining me now, paul butler. he's a former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. paul, this many places i could go, i want to start with alvin bragg. he is the first black da that manhattan has ever had. he's the first black da, he is the former president of the nsa to america calling him an animal. >> you know, people ask in all of these different prosecutions of trump and investigations that prosecutors coordinating. they're not coordinating, they're certainly paying attention. and i think when jack smith, the special counsel, hears president trump talking like this, and trying to foment the same kind of violence in new york that he tried

she ordered trump attorney a friend cochran to have info. that in her sealed ruling she said prosecutors have met the threshold for the crime fraud exemption to it. exemption is a. many the prosecutors were able to show to judge howell's satisfaction that cochran discussion with the former president might've been part of an ongoing or future crime. there is also this just in to cnn. cnn jon miller found out law-enforcement agencies in new york are preparing how to handle a possible indictment of the former president next week. sources tell jon the discussions have how to navigate the indictment by the attorney. and is fingerprinting and arraignment. here with the federal story also cnn political analyst and senior respondent, former republican in january 6th-member adam kinsinger he is a cnn commentator. and cnn senior analyst and former federal prosecutor. so, caitlyn, this is your reporting. what more are you learning about the conversations prosecutors want to ask about? >> they want to work around attorney client privilege. they talk to

a federal appeals court ruled that his lawyer, evan cochran, must give notes to prosecutors looking into trump's possible mishandling of classified material at mar-a-lago. the justice department is trying to figure out why classified documents stayed at trump's florida home months after a subpoena was issued to return all sensitive files. jarred hill is in new york with more on this. good morning. >> reporter: hey. we could see trump's lawyer actually in court as soon as tomorrow in that classified documents case based out of washington, d.c. meanwhile here in new york, it's another day of waiting to see how a grand jury is going to move in the investigation into hush-money payments centered around former president trump. in a surprise move, manhattan district attorney alvin bragg did not convene the grand jury wednesday, though it could possibly still meet today. it's investigating an alleged hush-money payment to stormy daniels in 2016. -trumpixer michael cohen said former president trump authorized the payment. a crucial question -- whether trump falsified records to hide it. trump ha

of classified of government documents. -- ordered cochrane to testify, after rolling special counsel jack smith presented enough evidence to establish that trump may have committed a crime through his lawyers. that exempted him from attorney client privilege, in another blow to trump, and they ruled in another case that some of trump's -- including ex chief of staff mark meadows must have testified before a grand jury in efforts to overturn the 2020 election, the judge rejected trump's argument that executive privilege would bar him from having to testify. and in new york, we came and went without an arrest in that stormy daniels hush money case, amid trump's unsubstantiated and baseless claims of what was gonna happen on tuesday, but the threats against manhattan district attorney alvin bragg are mounting, the fbi and the nypd are now investigating a written death threat containing a small amount of white power, it was later deemed not dangerous but it comes as trump escalates his rhetoric against the fda, warning against quote potential death and destruction, if he is charged in th

alan cochrane, the foster. cochrane, the editor of the daily telegraph . editor of the daily telegraph. and here in the studio, the deputy editor of conservativehome henry hill . conservativehome henry hill. arlene, it's lovely to see you. welcome to gb news. we know that the dup voted against windsor agreement, but think attention now turns to the future . you're now turns to the future. you're not happy with it . but now turns to the future. you're not happy with it. but might the dup powersharing in northern ireland? well, something to be with you, michael. and my goodness, you're looking fabulous today. i even brought my red glasses to try and compete, but i don't think will be able to compete today. yes, i'm not surprised that the uk voted against windsor framework because there are still some outstanding issues, not least the issue around article six of the issue around article six of the act of union , because you the act of union, because you will recall that the supreme court has said that the protocol

and you pretty was baton you great in the cochran should i she would though it is granted that there was still, but she just was pizza. las needles to silicon. natalie is the son of some and the group propagandistic nikoto was going yes. so she to hoping lumen for months without that additional shooting a bullet. wishing i. b m. e animal, a guaranteed on star only the to put it on you said in the shop to make it would never have grown that far. and that much if the americans had not paid hundreds of millions of dollars to sponsor that, you will. pablo recruiters bureau to mislead partly 2 of those took asada cranes, calling you and i see them on the roper shatara brenson. your call in us is when your quit the boom bitter new quit the shared show near term quarter of i'm do easy . so good in that. oh great. in the past i would so now it was up with next mika closure for e. it was a so she could but gift chris has thrown his up of next trump. sony nutrition can process for me is up in the caribbean opportunity, but just kinda it'll show you a little bit of time. you got a uniform, you

attorney evan cochran could be a key witness in the special counsel's investigation into whether trump obstructed justice. the judge said prosecutors met the threshold that a crime may have been committed. meanwhile, law enforcement in new york are reportedly preparing security measures if trump gets indicted in the stormy daniels, hush money case. >> today, the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for russian president vladimir putin for war crimes. it accuses him among other things of being involved in the abduction of thousands of children who were removed from ukraine. the announcement coming as tensions between russia and ukraine have intensified in the past few days. anna wiernicki is in washington with more. the news of the arrest warrant comes as prepares to host the president of china in moscow next week. >> visit the u.s. says they're watching very closely. >> great speak out against russia's brutal aggression. president joe biden hosted ireland's prime minister at the white house on friday where the 2 leaders once again pledged their support for ukraine top

she's sponsor with college grading pulled low grains of but worse, i do believe downgrade mosley cochrane. even though i had a purely for sheep situation. isadore slot from africa. according to the valley. he fights with the professor schedule. it is an established fact that during world war 2, the o u n and u, p. a leaders served in the not to go and roland battalions all with the ss calisha division and with collaborating auxiliary police unit somewhere. also trained at nazi military and intelligence schools. oh, got them look them and thought us all of them, but got a document that they got to read because we offered through dishes when you moved away and that was the of computer monster avira. so you have to give control, how do they own walk at a map? develop a very is viviana nick on the real dental, and she wouldn't advocate the old today. you p, i apologise, claim the conflict stemmed from poland, centuries long expansion into ukraine. gideon lloyd edna scattered about they say indigenous people had the right to fight enslavement and as ukrainians were indigenous to virginia and e

it was the she dollars, grain of political do grains of but worse, i will be a big hurry. mosley cochran, you know, so i go purely for shoes. if we ship this last from our, for, according to run it by for the professor schedule, it is an established fact that during world war 2, the o u n and u, p. a leaders served in the not to go and roland battalions all with the ss galaxy division and with collaborating auxiliary police unit somewhere also trained at nazi military and intelligence schools. oh got the book, women thought us all of them, but got a document that they got to read because we offered satony's just when you mean the way in there was the upkeep, yamashita, avira. so you think you've got to run out of a own walk up up very is vivian. you're on the real dental and she would now do i got it all today. you p, i apologised, claim the conflict stemmed from poland, centuries long expansion into ukraine. guardian lloyd edna scheduled in about they say indigenous people had the right to fight enslavement and as ukrainians were indigenous to virginia and eastern galleria, it is quite

i asked them about a report put out by a private research organization called cochrane that found mass may not be effective in preventing covid. summarization didn't about-face a few weeks later. on january the issue the report finding there, is no scientific evidence or prove that mask work. and then on march 10th, they issued a report that basically said what we said before was not fully accurate. secretary -- claim that he had no knowledge of hhs or anyone in the administration pressuring cochrane to withdraw their findings. i specifically asked him that. he was under oath. i asked him if he knew if anybody in hhs had information as a related to that. from your experience, has hhs pressured private organizations to take a certain stance is instance -- information regarding covid? >> yes, our evidence includes pretty extensive emails of senior hhs officials. including within the office of the secretary. involved in these kinds of pressure campaigns to engage in censorship. we also extensive evidence of sub agencies within hhs. which is described this detail in my written testimony in

joining us is steve cochran, apex chief economist at moody's analytics.s great to have you here. everybody is focused on how quick and strong the recovery in china will be. but it's a major trading nation. what is the risk here with global trade? local recession? less purchases of chinese goods? steve: well, the pace of the global economy has certainly slowed. trade has been down it really over the last six months or so and it has been factoring into what was a pretty weak fourth quarter for asia-pacific, particularly, southeast asia where exports have been quite weak. i do think that is pretty much the low point for what we might call this meeting cycle here in asia. for a couple reasons. one, domestic demand is still quite strong throughout much of asia. coming out of the post-covid time. southeast asia in particular was later to come out of it then europe or north america and spending is still strong and labor markets are fairly strong. then the travel and tourism opening up, particularly, as travel in and out of china is getting easier and there are m

presidential bid, even as his legal troubles mount a federal judges ordered trump's attorney , evan cochranto testify again before a federal grand jury looking into trump's handling of classified documents. another case involves alleged hush payments to adult film star stormy daniels. trump says the legal maneuvering is designed to derail his campaign enforcement officials in new york are already making security preparations should the former president be indicted? some good news now in the fight against covid-19. the risk of experiencing long covid appears to be on the decline. the u. s census bureau feel that tens of thousands of responses from covid survivors, with many reporting long covid symptoms lasting longer than three months over the course of nine surveys and more than 58,000, respondents and analysis from the chronicle found a decline in the number of people reporting long covid symptoms. in june of last year, nearly 19% reported symptoms of long covid. as of february of this year. that number is just over 11. celebrating the luck of the irish people around the bay area mark st

they set the standards and medicine it's called the cochran review.lation level it did not change the trajectory of the covid transmission. if you get to people in a room with high-quality masks, short can reduce the transmission. the reality is this is a ubiquitous virus is nearly inevitable is highly contagious. you cannot wear a mask consistently that long and not get the virus. so all these kids it had their faces covered turns out it did nothing to reduce transmission. >> let me ask you this. there's one level of culpability for mistake there's another level of culpability for int intents. if you did something he knew was wrong at the time you did it. where does this fall? was this just like we did her best but got it wrong? you testified anything on capitol hill maybe last week that our own government was a large source of misinformation during the pandemic. so how do we make sensible or been told to do by healthcare professionals? >> first of all, track it out agree with you more praise make mistaken scientist simply because you make a hypothes

cochran about. special counsel jack smith is proposing to ask a counsel about an alleged phone call they had the alleged call would have been on the same day that investigators subpoenaed the trump organization for surveillance footage from trump's mar-a-lago resort as the government grew suspicious that trump continued to hold on to classified materials even after one of his attorneys asserted in a sworn statement that he had complied with the subpoena requesting any remaining documents in his possession. while the special counsel's investigation at least one of them is clearly ramping up it is far from the only investigation into the former president. in fact, with potential charges looming in both new york and georgia, we may be at a point where all of these investigations into trump are finally coming to a head joining us now with danya perry former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and barbara mcquaid former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan thank yo

i fought the law was by the bobby fuller four. >> yeah, '66. >> not eddie cochran.was the bobby fuller four the band that also did the closing credits for "fantastic mr. fox"? i think they were. >> random. >> need some help from the control room on that one. >> yeah. like you're going to get it. >> you won't get any here. >> bobby fuller four. >> guys, as much as you think people want to see you -- >> this is good tv right here, us googling. >> we're doing this for our -- "let her dance," incredible. >> let's talk about the oath keepers. >> willie, want to talk about baseball a little bit? >> let's lighten things up and talk about the oath keepers. >> sounds good. >>> let's get back to the news. >> thank you. >> as we were, six more members of the oath keepers have been convicted for their roles in the january 6th insurrection. a federal jury found all of them guilty of entering a romanian restricted building or grounds. they were found to obstruct a proceeding. juries are still deliberating over the counts for the other two defendants. ryan has been following these

the -- the person who knows more about zoning than anybody else wanda cochrane walked me through thisnd explained to me how it could be done. and the truth is that it can. of course, the city's economy is based -- is so dependent on the industry that's already there, it -- it would be really hard for them to do. this and i think this speaks to why environmental racism is so hard to uproot. but -- i think that's what justice looks like. it looks like the factories and making it possible for this place to really thrive again as as a residential area it would mean builting more housing. it would mean -- it would mean encouraging the growth of independent businesses. there used to be many black-owned business that is were wiped out by highway construction. and it would mean -- i would mean for investment in the neighborhood. and think that's true for similar neighborhoods apart from africatown too. it's certainly true for a place in louisiana. host: and explain the -- you know, i've spent some time with someone who was talk about this recently. and in your book you talked about what the h

that's not that that attorney who knows more about zoning than anybody else in southern alabama, wanda cochran. walked me through this and explain to me how it could be done. and the truth is that it can. of course, the city's economy is based, so it's, so dependent on the industry that's already there. it it would be really hard for them to do this. i think this speaks to why environmental racism is so to uproot. but that's i think that's what justice. looks like it like getting rid of the factories and and and and making it possible for this place really thrive again as a residential area would mean building more housing it would mean it would mean encouraging growth of black of of independent businesses used to be many black owned businesses that were wiped out by by construction and and it would mean it mean more investment in the neighborhood. i think that's true for similar neighborhoods apart from africatown too. it's certainly true for cancer alley, louisiana and explain both. you know, i've actually spent some with some of the senators recently and i saw in your book you talked about

hadn't tidied up at the end of their probe, and that was getting the lawyer for donald trump, evan cochrane, corcoran, forget, me inside a grand jury, to answer of what did your client tell you to do? and where did he tell you to surge when you said all classified records at mar-a-lago had been returned. because obviously, that was not the truth. and that's the heart of this. >> a month after prosecutor jay brad went to florida to be handed those 38 classified documents, he wanted to obtained a search warrant to search the trump property. but -- prosecutors going fbi agents were still loathed to conduct a surprise search. they are from top fbi officials that some agents were simply afraid: they were we taking aggressive steps investigating trump could blemish or even and their careers. jay brat and other top justice department officials took the unprecedented step of going to fbi headquarters to present them where a draft search warrant. quote " stephen m d'antuono, then the head of the fbi washington field office which was running the investigation was adamant the fbi should not do a surpr

it's hard to get -- cochran, chairman of the appropriations which committee.took under his wing. it's a very sensitive issue. >> it's significant. it's not just -- we are not just picking on their age. it's a narrowly divided institution. there are some younger members who have had health issues. john fetterman is still in the hospital dealing with clinical depression after getting a stroke. two younger democrats in the last congress had strokes. this is how the breakdown of the senate is by age if you look at it. just two members in their 30s. eight in their 40s. two-thirds of the members are in their 60s and 70s. four members in their 80s. what impact do you think this has on the institution? >> most specifically it could have a big impact. as you said, the margins are so narrow in terms of leading the senate. i think overall, the senate is representing the tapestry of the american electorate. it is younger, i believe, than it used to be. there are fewer senators in their upper 70s and 80s. it's a good retirement home. that's been the quiet joke, that it's a

where trump lawyer evan cochrane testified yesterday before a grand jury investigating the ex president'sl how ordered calling to testify after ruling special counsel jack smith presented enough evidence to establish that trump may have committed a crime through his lawyers. that existed

johnny cochran successfully put mark fuhrman on trial and racism on trial, not oj simpson.was present. this was a very solid case, emas ked by the prosecution , it was a digital case not just the cell phone but navigation and other digital devices, and it incriminated alex murdaugh big time. stuart: the country was glued, almost everybody in my family was watching it 24/7. >> right. stuart: i've not known a trial grip the country quite like this one did, for sometime. oj simpson of course, that was 25-30 years ago but not much since. this one got everybody watching. >> it really did, because you know the scion of a powerful, legal dynasty accused of the brutal murders of his wife and son, you know, as the prosecution said he literally blew the brains out of his son. i mean, that is an uncommon evil that is hard for people to comprehend. i'm here in south carolina. people were obsessed with watching the gavel-to-gavel coverage on local stations, and you know, over the seven weeks of the trial, i never met a single person who had any doubt about alex murdaugh's guilt. stuart: