so that the cocom commander wants what i'm building. what is the incentive for a program manager to adopt a commercial approach that actually disrupts their programs. i think today's incentive denied denied pretend it doesn't exist block it versus actually i'm competing against another great american quarter down to be the first to disrupt it. >> you have a good example where the combatant commands lack of acquisition authority caused delays or even hurt the mission? >> i think a good look at the success of project maven which didn't come from the services people love to derive osd efforts as bureaucratic not sustainable but the innovation really came from ÃÃthe afghan new york came from the emerging demand signal in the world the crisis that had to be responded to the learning that could only happen there and capabilities that ultimately scale to the forks. >> the program managers the private sector paid more than government employees. they also get bonuses and stock options for good performance. in dod the uniform military personnel c

so that the cocom commander wants what i'm building.tive for a program manager to adopt a commercial approach that actually disrupts their programs. i think today's incentive denied denied pretend it doesn't exist block it versus actually i'm competing against another great american quarter down to be the first to disrupt it. >> you have a good example where the combatant commands lack of acquisition authority caused delays or even hurt the mission? >> i think a good look at the success of project maven which didn't come from the services people love to derive osd efforts as bureaucratic not sustainable but the innovation really came from ÃÃthe afghan new york came from the emerging demand signal in the world the crisis that had to be responded to the learning that could only happen there and capabilities that ultimately scale to the forks. >> the program managers the private sector paid more than government employees. they also get bonuses and stock options for good performance. in dod the uniform military personnel civilians managing