building code. i do not believe that this was vetted through any public hearing when it was added with probably 100, 150 other amendments back in 2011. i do not know of any public comment. it probably did go through code advisory. but most people are not aware of it. i would ask you to eliminate this from the san francisco building code and go back to the california building code. gregg's -- >> as someone who was very involved in the eastern neighborhoods, when you found out about this, from where your position was, that this was countered to where you were trying to achieve down there, is this right? rex right, the project had been approved -- >> right, the project had been approved in the 2007 building code and that had changed in the 2010 california building code. it got preapproved in application and then submitted and they went to pick up their permit and were not allowed to because the code had changed. this section of the san francisco code had changed. their project was 90% finished. the app

code, which makes the california code more restrictive, -- which makes the san francisco code more restrictive than the california code, and can be removed if it is not part of the green building code in another section. that is my take on it. >> commissioner lee? >> i'm not sold on eliminating this requirement that rooms -- habitable rooms need natural light. for a number of reasons. one, i think habitable rooms with sunlight, fresh air is a good thing. it is a good design, and if you eliminate it, you have to substitute it somehow. which means you are actually increasing the cost of the building. you're increasing the cost of energy use in the building. it is contrary to being a green building, i think. some might plays an important part -- sunlight plays an important part in making a building action and more sustainable and green. -- making a building actually more sustainable and green. when i read this, i read windows in all habitable rooms, which now become a crazy. but now that i hear the reasons for why we want to change this code, to have adjoining rooms share some might from a room n

when i first -- code advisory. when i first read this, i thought it was old warehouses that were converted into live and work spaces. a lot of those places became more live band work. -- live than work. i think one of the issues is zoning. i would like to get something put in planning, how they looked at it, too. >> for the next meeting and if the staff could give us a report on that then, that we will have a discussion. is it just staff? bourdy want someone from the planning department as well? brecht's -- or do you want someone from the planning department as well? >> yes. >> i can help a little bit with the process. the san francisco building code provides that all code amendments are initiated by the director based on input from various sources rather than the code advisory committee, the board of examiners. it is fairly open in its process. it has been established that the code changes that the director puts forward go through a particular process with the structure advisory committee and the code advisory com

code of conduct. we are saying we need to negotiate some rules of the road in space otherwise our satellites are going to be the ones that are hurt. and worse, china wants to have its own code of conduct and it's talking to brazil and india. so either we get together and we discuss this with our european allies and others and bring brazil and india in with us or there might be a completely different road. we might be wanting to drive on the right side of the world and maybe china puts in the system with so many others following it to drive on the left side of the road. this is the reason why we need to discuss, have the ability to discuss. this is not about going around the congress. there are precedents for codes of conduct in 1972 the nixon administration negotiated an incidents at sea . agreement to help prevent dangerous games of chicken involving warships and submarines. in 1989 president george h.w. bush negotiated a dangerous military practices agreement with gorbachev. establishing norms for g

code. what that siz is when there is such an agreement entered into that within 60 days of the agreement being entered into the secretary of state has to notify the house and the senate where presumably the house and the senate for all of our powers whether appropriations powers. there is a technical possibility that the executive branch could bind the united states at least for the 60 day period before this would happen. i guess i would ask anyone on the other side. are there any examples where this administration has bound the united states to such an agreement and then complied with the 60-day notice that is in title one second 112 b. have they done that at all? >> i do not know but one addition from our hearing. they expressly stated in our hearing that they intended not to seek senate approval for this. >> and i apologize for not being present here and i'm not in your subcommittee. did they say that they were not going to submit it as a treaty? or did they say they intended to bind the

the rating systems and also the state code that state building code that did begin to reference strong water management but the implementation model is is really to refer to consistently refer to the s a p c storm water design guidelines. and the most projects would need to comply with the stormwater design guidelines based on the size of the project whether or not they had or comply with the green building code so it's largely a separate matter and mostly what's remains about storm water in this storm water. post construction stormwater management in this code is just a reference to other codes that are in place in the city so that process of how to extract people informally able to comply with that code is would be another matter for your consideration. if you could have the next but thank you next for the comment. john o'connor being again i'm going around here for two months trying to figure out the thirteen cs part of the building code is a star more management twenty twenty five percent of of the water retention and the grey water go to the plumbing department they don't know go

i'm in charge of the membershipsterral code. i must ask or ask the advice of alexander in order to do so. i could not be clearer about it. >> he did discuss the b sky b with james murdoch as director of brook skinner. if there is nothing to hide, he felt unable last july when it was just him. it came to members of this home. >> what i was always said i have not had any inappropriate conversation about this issue, and, indeed, i haven't. but clearly the important in the context of this inquiry to record everything you possibly can, and what i record, the embarrassing situation that we were in when the minister and the government said that they were trying to destroy a media company. it was perfectly appropriate for me to say that that was not correct or appropriate, and these things would be dealt with properly in the future. i feel it was a thoroughly responsible thing to say. >> how thwithout seeing the texd e-mails that pass through through. >> my friend actually put her finger on it. the fact is he doesn't want to wait for th

building code. -- 13-c of the building code. the primary source of regulation of gray water and is the building department interpretation of the green building -- i am willing not here to be a technical -- i am not here to be a technical comment on that. when the gentleman was referring to the water retention, it was a reference to storm water management. this code does have some storm water management requirements that a reference the ratings systems and the state code. the implementation model is consistently referred to the storm water design guidelines. the most -- most products would need to comply with the storm water design guidelines based on the size of the project. it is largely a separate matter and mostly what remains about storm water management is a reference to other coach in place in the city. so that process -- other coach in place in the city. so the process would be another matter for your consideration. >> if we could have the next speaker. >> again, i of been around here for two

this section of the code makes sense for cisco more restrictive than the state code because the two thousand and ten california building code does allow for light an air artificial light an air to be borrowed from the room next door. i believe there it will greatly affect projects moving forward it's far as density goes and if we have an issue on the we have another agenda item afterwards which is the green building bit. you know for in to the high density housing we need the ability to be able to borrow life from the room next door to create bedrooms. and i would ask you to eliminate this from the san francisco building code and go back to the california building codes i don't believe that this was vetted true and you saw any public hearing when it was added it was that it would probably one hundred fifty other amendments back in two thousand and eleven and i don't believe there was any public comment on that that i know of maybe it probably did go to quote advisory. not most people were not aware of it so i would ask you to eliminate this from the san francisco building code and go back to

the codes back and? >> the project was completed at that time it was permitted. that code is in effect for the work. >> no code changes will affect this cfc? >> no. the height of the rails has changed. when we get into these permits, it got built at that time. if this had not been finished, if there was still work to be done, i might say to them your reels should be at 40 two inches. -- rails should be at 42 inches. that is about the only change that we would have to upgrade. if they want to raise it, that is fine. we are not going to go to the 2010 code and say bring everything up to the 2010 code because the job was done at that time. am i clear? >> yes. >> is there any public comment on this item? >> i forgot one more thing. there is also a special inspections which is a third party from the engineer testing labs. we need all of those reports as well. that is another layer of inspections that they may or may not have the documentation for. >> back to public comment. you are not an owner of this proper

projects -- building codes, zoning codes, ada, fire and life safety, engineering, energy air and leeds, grant funding constraints, and other things. for a very few projects which involve historic resources, which are perhaps 5% or 10% of all architectural projects, there are also guidelines that are widely recognized. there are secretary of the interior standards, local preservation codes. many of these guidelines and codes have also been refined, just as building codes have been refined for decades. historic resources codes have also evolved. the proposed amendments for articles 10 or 11 are inevitable hurdles which, if applied to other codes, would be illogical -- for example, requiring written votes for zoning and area plans, including non- property-owners from exercising its rights granted them under state and federal laws, exempting affordable housing, and many other unreasonable issues like that. thank you very much. >> it is ironic that the blue- collar

we educate them on code violations. it would not hurt if we coordinated -- maybe the department can take this on financially totally, but it is incumbent on the city to do more massive education for small businesses. the other thing we should discuss with the small business commission, i know a lot of times commissions go through existing bodies. we go through the chamber of commerce, the older and more established business associations, but unfortunately, a lot of smaller and ethnic businesses do not belong to those associations. they do not belong to the chamber. so we have to maybe work with the city to improve our out reached there, too. whatever we can do there, this department would like to do that with other city departments. >> besides out rich, i think our department would also -- outreach, i think our department should provide service or a list of inspectors, independent of the building inspection department to say, you can consult these professionals about your needs and what you may need to do, or perhaps a

we educate them on code violations. it would not hurt if we coordinated -- maybe the department can take this on financially totally, but it is incumbent on the city to do more massive education for small busine

all other code requirements, including a.d.a. accessibility, path of travel, health code, et cetera, would remain in place and are not in any way affected by this legislation. in addition, the legislation caps the numbers of permissible residents in a smaller efficiency unit to two. this 150-foot efficiency square foot minimum is similar to what's already in the san francisco housing code, which requires 144 square feet minimum. other cities in california have exercised their ability under the state health and safety code to define an efficiency unit in this way. i.e., at least 150 square feet. san jose has the standard, santa barbara, santamaria. in addition, perhaps if greater significance, new york city and seattle both have the same definitions. other urban areas with challenges around creating housing that's affordable to residents. san francisco has a desperate need for housing at all income levels, in particular income levels that are not high income. particularly in workforce housing, housing for students, for seniors, fo

the code is when a character represents an entire word and usually you're going to need a code book to identify what the codes are, because you're going to be using so many. generally you're not going to be able to keep track of them in your head. one of the things we need to realize is the alphabet in the 18th century is not our alphabet. okay? it is not identical. in the 18th century, the letters i and j are the exact same letter. there is no difference between the two. the letters u and v are the same letter. so if i gave you the letters ivly, today it would look strange. in the 18th century, they would automatically make the change and adjust it and immediately know that what i meant was july. okay? and shorthand writing is another form of codes and ciphers, and the earliest book that i found on shorthand dates to 1586. so it was well known. what you're looking at is joseph stanbury's cipher, and it's very simple. it's a is equal to z. b is equal to a. it's a one-letter shift. joseph stansbury is the person in philadelphia who received the messages from benedict arnold, wrote them

next, the planning code text amendments. these include the amendments related to various sections of the code. also included are of various amendments to the appendices of article 11 related that to historic resources. related item, item 4d includes requests for you to review and comment on the specific article which are under jurisdiction of the historic preservation district which you are required or requested to comment on. i will just turn it over so he can say a couple of words about that item. >> thank you. good afternoon. as you have just heard, one of the items before you is to provide comments and recommendation on the proposed boundary change for the new montgomery second street conservation district. your comments and recommendations are requested regarding the proposal consistency with the general plan and regional housing and sustainability policies. the proposed boundary change would expand the boundary of the district to include 26 additional properties, primarily along market, mission, and howard street, and

we are here, though, to help people comply with these codes. our people will be trained, staff will be trained, so that they can go, not to physical inspections at a private property, but people can come into us, and we will help them determine if they have an access problem, or they can ask us questions and we can rely upon those issues to help them solve some problems. one of the major problems, as i have stated in the past, is the entryway into the building. that is something that we are working on with the department of public works, planning, the small business organization, to find a problem for these businesses to help -- even if it is a temperature problem or a removable solution, something to help them, so they are not getting hit with these lawsuits. we are also working with the mayor's legislation department. there is a state bill that is out there regarding these lawsuits. we will be working to help the mayor's office support the enforcement of this so that these drive-by lawsuits are better managed, or do not have that -- happen as

if somebody said is my building up to code, i will say yes it is up to code. it is up to the 1909 code. in 1909 there was no requirement for earthquake design. >> until 1933 when the reilly act went into effect after the disastrous 1933 santa barbara -- >> long beach. >> destroyed elementary schools. they were brick. if the kids were in school, we would have lost thousands of kids. that banned brick construction and required seismic designs to be incorporated in buildings. >> there was a major -- there are a number of thresholds over the course of the development. the big one is in the mid '70s, but a whole threshold, series of these thresholds. many of the older buildings, like the 1 across the street have been upgraded to meet some modern standards. this is the williams building that we were talking about that is the replacement of the building that was damaged in the 1906 earthquake. it was built just like it with the plans. >> this building they were going to dynamite it. in '06, they dynamited buildings to clear the path. >> from an interesting point of v

the ministerial code is absolutely clear. ministers are responsibile. >> given that the role of the adviser of a ministerial code is purely to advise the prime minister on whether the minister's actions are in breach of that code and not to investigate or establish the facts of those actions, is an essential to allow the inquiry to establish the fact and the advance that they discover there is a prime offensive, then they need to refer it -- referred to e ministerial adviser. >> you are entirely right. it is worth examining what would happen if you commissn that the independent adviser to set down a process of factual discovery. you have to look at all the information that is about to be provided l to theeverson finding and would duplicate the facts. >> the prime minister has just claimed began at in relation to theb sky b, that the government had independent advice every stage. will he confirm that on december 31, 2010, the government was advisedo refer the bid to the competition's commission. the governme did not do so. the

the second requirement is that it needs and planning codes. youwithin global district theres a maximum horizontal dimension of 105 feet and when hundred 40 feet for the building, so these are quantitative limits that are obsolete and do not scale and proportion to the size of the property proposed. acknowledging that a property may be difficult to comply, the planning code does a process that would allow exceptions to the limitations. in this case the sponsor is requesting to modify these to the plants development process. the process is designed for projects on large sites that are developed at once. good >> can i ask you about the necessity of sloping down, starting perhapat 140 feet. you could haven' had the same if you read started at 84 feet. you would have achieved what you are trying to get out with these heights reduced the amount >> that is true. the-but is proposed, given the dramatic increment -- the height proposed, given the dramatic increment, maybe it requesting a height increase supportable by the planning department, and the c

property line windows will be required by code to be non- opening. and we go on to the various others we have just talked about -- windows at property lines raised as high as possible, size decreased to 10 inches but extended in width to 36 inches. we do not have to go into fire rated and non-opening, because i think that is already understood. the west elevation shall conform with the same type of material matching the rest of the structure. remove the stairs and the deck in the rear. restore the bay window to it's original configuration. restore the curve cut using the same materials as the rest of the street curve. -- curb. and adjoining property owners up the specified addresses show received copies of the final plans, to be submitted to dbi. >> commissioners, the motion is to take d.r . and approve the project, based on some of the conditions. >> last says san francisco department of building inspection. should that the san francisco planning department? commissioner antonini: that is right. >> the conditions are as they have been agreed to by t

in the case of talmidge, up to connecticut where he would then do the coding based upon his code book, which is one of the appendix items of my book. there's other copies around, and he would then send the transx p transcribed messages. some of the original messages went on when he was out of position as well. so it tends to be, whoever's the case agent, is the one that's going to be doing the decoding. not necessarily the aide to camps. they may be collecting the information, taking down the orders from washington, sending them out, but they're really not running the operation. they're more like a secretary. >> thank you. so back in the days what is the main motivation? and i guess since it was -- how much was a typical pay day? >> i'm sorry? >> how much money were the spies paid for their activities? >> oh. they were paid based upon what the perceived danger was. depended on the assignment. you could be certain spies got paid. it you're doing research and claim somebody claiming to about spy that did not get paid, they were actually a scout. you always paid your spies, no matter whi

it is not in our code anymore. the department would say you would have to pay the penalty and bring it to the port -- board of appeals to get it repealed. the director made that change. >> i can guess what your personal and -- >> 0 little more compassionate. >> it is either nine times or two times. >> mr. duffy, for the next time, the surcharges, are they fixed? or a function of the total amount? or is that fixed regardless what the penalty is? >> i do not know the answer to that question. surcharges are part of every permit. are you asking if the surcharge is part of -- because of the penalty? >> if the amount is greater, is a fixed amount? >> i would imagine it goes by the value of the work. >> not the board of appeals a surcharge. >> i understand that. >> in just clarifying. >> i could research and get back to you. there is a detailed, there are a lot of surcharges now. tc, school boards. they aren't part and parcel of building permits. -- are part and parcel of building permits. >> commissioners, the matter is

source code for a hydrogen bomb, so it's the opposite of today. this code would run, and it would run on iniac for six weeks to get, essentially, a one-bit answer, sort of a yes or no answer. whereas now, you know, in a moy cosecond -- microsecond your screen is refreshed, and you've used up a zillion bits. so there are very different kinds of codes, but i think incredibly important. and in monte carlo, i mean, the perfect example of, you know, ulam sort of invented it while he was recovering from are a brain virus, and they told him don't think too much, so he started playing solitary, and he realized, oh, we could do computing this way following random paths. [laughter] >> how did monte carlo, which is an incredibly sophisticated way of going about writing software, how did that happen so early in the evolution of computing when the machines were so primitive and memory was so small? >> well, they needed it is why it happened. they needed to follow these populations of neutrons, and they didn't have the horsepower to do it in an analytical way,

has that been known before that clari von neumann was writing code? >> what is interesting is some of these codes, like there's one of them in an envelope. it's an envelope that you could mail with two stamps and it's a code. you know, it is what we would call a source code for the hydrogen bomb so it's the opposite today. this code would run and it would run and eniac for six weeks to get it one bit answer, a yes or no answer whereas now your screen is refreshed and you have used up so many bits. there are very different kinds of codes but i think incredibly important and monte carlo i mean, it's a perfect example. he was recovering from a brain virus and they told him, don't think too much so he started playing solitaire and while playing solitaire he realized we could do computing this way. following random paths. [laughter] >> he how did monte carlo, which is an incredibly sophisticated way of going about writing software, how did that happen so early in the evolution of computing when the machines were so primitive and memory was so small? >> wel

in a broader context, this is more than building codes. this product is going to be the biggest square footage of any single family home on the block, and will impact the other homes. it will have a serious impact on the character of the neighborhood. each individual is entitled to build up their home. i believe you need to look at it from the standpoint of character. the open yard space will be impacted. i think the scale is out of proportion. we are up against the apartment building next door, rather than the homes in the surrounding area. for those reasons, i would request that perhaps mediation or discretionary review go forward, and that the parties meet and try to come to some compromise where we are not changing the character of the neighborhood. president fong: the fifth d.r. requestor? okay. speakers in favor of the d.r. i have three cards. scott selman already spoke. are there any other speakers in favor of the d.r.? seeing none, project sponsor, you have five minutes. >> good afternoon, commissioners. this design is a 1250 squar