joining us to talk about the numbers is joe weisenthal, "what'dof -- cohost of you miss." have been troubles when it comes to the department stores. reporter: about this did a good job of clearing up what this is really about. is this a secular shift? the department store is not a thriving business model. with all the sales of -- sales and liquidations, maybe i should shop at them a little more. but people go to specialty shops and by home goods, but a lot of what people buy a department stores they buy online or at cheaper places. we bring back that charge, because you guys did a battle of charts earlier. reporter: i think it is the crucial charge today, non-store retailers, amazon and whatnot, up over 10%. department store year-over-year sales down 1.7 percent. not that confusing about what is going on, and that chart shows it. carol: you are kind of looking into some of the brick-and-mortar versus who is doing well and who is not. isorter: one area that really strong under retail sales is restaurants and drinking establishments, which you can't do online, obviously. you