i want to talk for a moment about colgan plight 3407. the first officer of that flight had a base pay of around $20,000. she traveled from seattle out of red light. she carried around some concerns obviously about her income, live at home with her parents, and she may have also been overrun at time of flight but was of -- afraid to lose the time she would not be paid for. so much pressure. you and i talked about captain sully, the pilot on the flight of the hudson. he was cut in recent years forcing him to take another job. given all the responsibilities that commercial pilots shoulder, should there be some review of salaries? it would be on extremely unusual that they don't send anybody up in a massive shuttle unless they know they are in good health. there are so many other situations where have the responsibility lies on an individual where their health is and -- their condition isn't a concern. and health includes reductions in stress and ease of a facility to get to work. i'm not against people having to travel to get to work. but n

this was the colgan airport, colgan air pilots commuting to the newark base.this is a different issue than duty time. but you can see pilots commuting all across the country to the duty base. in this case the tragedy that occurred in buffalo, new york, the person flying in the right seat, commuted all night long from seattle, washington to newark. next chart shows part of the product of commuting. it's a "watches a movie on his computer at a crash house in sterling park, virginia. the houses which can have up to 20 to 24 occupants at a time are designed to give flight crews from regional airlines a quiet place to sleep near their base airports. many can't afford hotels, so they use the crash house where rent is generally $200 a month for a bed. incidentally, on this issue i ran into a pilot about two weeks ago at an airport, a very young pilot, who told me that he had just started his career but was now quitting. and i said, why? and he said, because i'm going to work for a city police department. and my salary will be twice as much as my salary flying the com

the other issue from colgan crash is the inadequacy of flight school. the student can be groomed in a short as six months. cammies flight students be trained -- schools to train students to be commercial pilots in such a short time? >> that is what we're making the suggestion we are making. i want people to appreciate, there has been some misunderstandings that i am somehow opposed to the idea we would have better training. i was looking better training before anyone brought the issue up. i am concerned we're not giving people the elements they need to do the mission they're doing. if someone will be a crop duster, the half to learn some things about low-altitude flying. if you carry a passenger, take the responsibility of caring hands to hundreds of passengers. we have an obligation to make sure you've been exposed to every potential experience and will be the unknowns that happened. the flight into the hudson was a great example. i flew fourth 25 years and i hit a lot of birds. it happens prepare >> the training is key. there is the idea of the region

the other issue from colgan crash is the inadequacy of flight school. the student can be groomed in a short as six months. cammies flight students be trained -- schools to train students to be commercial pilots in such a short time? >> that is what we're making the suggestion we are making. i want people to appreciate, there has been some misunderstandings that i am somehow opposed to the idea we would have better training. i was looking better training before anyone brought the issue up. i am concerned we're not giving people the elements they need to do the mission they're doing. if someone will be a crop duster, the half to learn some things about low-altitude flying. if you carry a passenger, take the responsibility of caring hands to hundreds of passengers. we have an obligation to make sure you've been exposed to every potential experience and will be the unknowns that happened. the flight into the hudson was a great example. i flew fourth 25 years and i hit a lot of birds. it happens prepare >> the training is key. there is the idea of the region

this was the colgan air chart. colgan air pilots commuting to the newark base.duty time. but you can see pilots commuting all across my country to the duty base. the person commuted all night long from seattle, washington to newark. next chart shows part of the product of commuting. it's a "washington post" report. a pilot watches a mu see on his computer in a crash house. the houses which can have up to 20 to 24 occupants at a time, are designed to give flight crews from regional airlines a quiet place to sleep near their base airports. many can't afford hotels. so they use the crash house where rent is generally $200 a month for a bed. incidentally on this issue, i ran into a pilot about two weeks ago at an airport. a young pilot who told me he had just started his career, but now he was quitting. he said why? because i'm going to work for a city police department and my salary will be twice as much as my salary flying the commuter jet. it relates to the question, why can't someone afford a hotel, in many cases across the country in order to reach their duty s

this was the colgan airport, colgan air pilots commuting to the newark base. a different issue than duty time. but you can see pilots commuting all across the country to the duty base. in this case the tragedy that occurred in buffalo, new york, the person flying in the right seat, commuted all night long from seattle, washington to newark. next chart shows part of the product of commuting. it's a "watches a movie on his computer at a crash house in sterling park, virginia. the houses which can have up to 20 to 24 occupants at a time are designed to give flight crews from regional airlines a quiet place to sleep near their base airports. many can't afford hotels, so they use the crash house where rent is generally $200 a month for a bed. incidentally, on this issue i ran into a pilot about two weeks ago at an airport, a very young pilot, who told me that he had just started his career but was now quitting. and i said, why? and he said, because i'm going to work for a city police department. and my salary will be twice as much as my salary flying the commuter j

if we have the chart that shows the colgan commutes. we know that something significant has changed with respect to air travel in this country. i will describe it this way regio-- in north dakota, where w up, the airlines that serve our capital city where republican, a regional charactarrier, but thed not flying small planes. all of them flew jets. my guess is that people in the cockpit, there was not someone with any one of those carriers that was being paid the equivalent of today's 18,000 or $20,000 per year. it was not the case. what happened was our system worst into something different. those carriers merged emerged again and became much larger. they then created a network of regional carriers that flu smaller equipment -- that flew smaller equipment in timand hada different system framework. one of the other things that has happened, especially in the last couple of decades, we have worked into the system with a chart that shows that everyone is commuting everywhere. it should not be lost on any of us, including the captain, you

that was not the case in the colgan plane. and standing of the facts that neither of those pilots and i believe and i feel badly because they are not with us to defend themselves but it appears neither of them had a nice sleep and when we're done with the issue comity 15, i don't think we have altered the circumstances that allowed that to exist and we must prepare your response? >> as i mentioned the rule-making committee did not make recommendations in this area. we're looking to see how the federal government might address it in a regulatory framework for it can be difficult. people drive from fredericksburg to work and washington or the dc and that is a long drive. how to do it is hard but we need to address it weather in the rule is sell for guidance or training material for the airlines would not completely reach that conclusion that we agree it is a risk factor to be addressed by the airlines and the pilot. >> it seems to be when would be a better or more. required time to do now when you are addressing fatigue in the c

i want to talk for a moment on depauw colgan flight. the first officer of that flight had a base pay of around $20,000. she traveled from seattle on a red eye. she carries around some concerns about her income, live at home with her parents, and she may have been afraid to lose the time that she would not be paid for, so much pressure. you and i talked about talkedsued about captain sully. he was cut 40% in his salary in recent years, forcing him to take another job. with all the responsibilities that commercial pilots shoulder, should there be some review of salaries? it would be unusual but this -- they don't send anybody up in a nasa shuttle unless they are in good health. there are so many other situations where heavy responsibility lies an individual where their health isn't a concern. that includes reductions in stress and and ease of facility to get to work. i am not against people having to travel to get to work. the thing that should happen is there should be sufficient time to get to work and have enough of a time lapse that t

i want to acknowledge some of the colgan families are out there from the crash.k you again for being here and being a moral compass for us as we work on this important topic and tried to get these rules down and die appreciate saying that these will get done. i was shocked to learn at a hearing a few weeks ago that the de-icing rules are 12 years old, that they have an even gone in the recommendations and finally actually i talked to the director of our ride of an secretary lahood and they are finally out for public comment after sitting there in some bureaucratic morass for 12 years so i want to thank you for pushing on these and encourage you to do these as quickly as possible. one of the things to follow up what senator lemeiux was talking about was this change in culture and i think these rules that we have come at the faa policy of pilot fatigue or something like half a century old and doesn't reflect new technologies, new ways of living, new information that we have about 50. one of the things that have been very focused on is looking at fatigue is what sen