. >> yes, colgate and jnj. these are two companies, sjm and colgate, that are not doing well.d suboptimal results. jnj has moved up mightily and is right at the level where it can either break out or be repelled. not sure about this. and what i'm saying is, is that these three have been bid up unnaturally by this program, which is out of the really good stocks of companies that are doing really well and into the companies. and i don't mean to slight j&j, but it's been suboptimal. this is see look at this. all right. well anyway this is the breakout level for jnj. if this market is going to bottom j&j has to be thrown back to the 160 level. smucker has to be thrown back to the 110 level, and colgate has to be thrown back to 92 level where they began these ascents. these companies are not doing well enough to be able to support the rallies that they've had. it's entirely done by traders who don't seem to know how to trade by putting things on immediately. i wish i had worked these orders. you wouldn't see this action. >> but is the news flow pushing you in a direction where you

i was just seeing reporting that canadians are boycotting colgate toothpaste as well, substituting it for a canadian brand called green beaver. i mean, i'm wondering how extensive boycotts like that go and what you are hearing. >> well, what i'm hearing and what we're seeing is that behavior. absolutely. in the grocery stores, canadians are checking labels. some stores have to discount american goods because they're not moving at this point in time. but i think to your question from the business community's perspective, just last week, i led a business delegation down to washington, dc because we know that taxes on goods, which is just what tariffs are, an additional task drive up costs of all these things, and they hurt americans just as much as canadians. so what we talked about in dc last week, the business community is on both sides of the border, is how important the full comprehension of our supply chains are. i can come back to steel and aluminum. there are so many american jobs that depend on the inputs. the and i think alex what's really sorry kate. what's really important is

i don't know if the recession can keep buying smucker and colgate. they're not even doing well. can they keep selling marvell tech? i don't know, it's a nightmare. okay. but the bottom line remember, this whole situation is manufactured by the walmart white house because almost every other market around the globe is crushing ours. they're all doing better than we are. i don't know who's advising the president. i know what he is doing is important work. and i am no free trader. i am not even a fair trader. i'm a tariff guy. but i think you can kill more flies with honey right now. and certainly more than nuclear weapons. now the president can roll them back if he wants to, but he generally believes his tariffs are the right thing to do, which is why they'll probably keep coming with no finesse whatsoever, just brute force, which i have to tell you, including you, mr. president. there are other ways and better ways to get things done. let's go to lauren in wisconsin. lauren. >> hi, jim. >> thanks for taking my call and thanks for. >> all your help along the way. >> my question is

we had the colgate's and the proctor's just frantically running. did a midday pirouette. that's always a bad sign. and i do think that we are going to get this done and then we're going to be in a halcyon moment, but we are not there yet. and you have to expect, you know, look, the stuff that nick's saying, the rates will be 25%, some categories left out if we get some exemptions, that's going to. >> make people feel better. but again, back to the overall level of uncertainty, which is extremely high because you have no idea how to position your business until you have some certainty in terms of, okay, what's it going to be? what's it going to apply to, what is the roadmap? what is the road ahead look like so that i can at least start to plan? it can't be back and forth and back and forth either. >> no it. >> can't. >> it can't. but at the same time, that doesn't mean there aren't a ton of stocks that are not affected. can i do the faber report? no, because sure, sure. >> i love having a guest. >> report that i am more in favor of kennedy than i wa