joining us from washington is colin goddard, the assistant director of federal legislation at the bradyn. colin, what a weekend, just when you thought maybe some ounce of sanity might be airlifted into the nra's annual convention, you have the sound that we just played. to me, colin, this seems, we talk a lot about this being more than just, being about more than just guns. and certainly bobby jindal talking about activist judges and the discussion by sarah palin of tobacco. it seems like this is a culture war that the nra would like to wage. >> it seems the nra is still sticking by their playbook since newtown, they're doubling down on the kind of out of touch rhetoric, calling it the war of northern aggression, that the vast majority of americans don't support. there's nothing new with the nra. i think what is new in this issue, in this gun policy debate is what was happening outside of the conference. victims and survivors of gun violence were reading the names of everyone who has been killed from firearms since newtown. i have never seen this movement, the people i work with, so act

before we went to denver, we want to virginia, and to virginia tech, and there we met up with colin goddardlm has been made about him called, living for 32. the 32 who died. he had four bullets in him, and he took me through virginia tech where the massacre took place, and he is now working with the brady campaign. he was working during the campaign to get the moderators of the debates to ask a question about gun control. to ask a question about gun violence. why is this so difficult? so we interviewed him. we toured through virginia tech. and then we flew to denver and we expanded the debate, and it was broadcast on public television and radio around the country, and we did it for every debate. let me lay out what we did. the presidential candidates, the major party presidential candidates, were at the university of denver, i think, and the moderator was jim lerh, and we looked online that day and sow how they were dressing the set. you have the bright blue background and the two podiums. each time you didn't actually know in advance how it would look but we wanted to -- we were broadcasti