colin pitchfork, shall we remember him, it's just that name. it makes me feel sick. the guy that killed two children. we're focusing though tonight, not on him, really, but on the premise of parole. because he actually wanted his parole hearing to be held essentially behind closed doors. it was ruled instead that in the interests of justice, essentially, this was going to be a more public hearing. i say good to that . what do you say, good to that. what do you say, though, zoe? >> i'm just not sure what the benefit of a public hearing is apart from, apart from having people who are very, very angry and upset getting very, very angry and upset about this. i mean, this is an incredibly horrific case of the murder, of two women, two girls, 15 year olds. yeah. two girls. i mean, it's just absolutely appalling . it's just absolutely appalling. and i know there's a lot there'll be a lot of hurt in the community, a lot of people who want to see this man behind bars, for good. but. but i just don't know what benefit it provides for the justice system , provides for the justi